Our own Holocaust

[Dave Crampton]

So you do cover WW1 then Jim?

[jim oldham]

And two, and the chilly one as well. I do a very nice line in Cuban missiles.
Verrrrrrrrrrry versatile.
Jim

[Dave Crampton]

Ever visited one of these? Brings it home somewhat... don't know if he's a relation??

Name: CRAMPTON, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment: South Lancashire Regiment
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 45
Date of Death: 19/07/1915
Service No: 3040
Additional information: Husband of E. Crampton, of 66, Davies St., Widnes, Lancs. Served in the South African Campaign.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. B. 9A.
Cemetery: LIJSSENTHOEK MILITARY CEMETERY

[jim oldham]

Originally Posted by Dave Crampton

Ever visited one of these? Brings it home somewhat... don't know if he's a relation??

Name: CRAMPTON, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment: South Lancashire Regiment
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 45
Date of Death: 19/07/1915
Service No: 3040
Additional information: Husband of E. Crampton, of 66, Davies St., Widnes, Lancs. Served in the South African Campaign.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. B. 9A.
Cemetery: LIJSSENTHOEK MILITARY CEMETERY

This man looks as if he may have been a regular. It does not give his rank, but, as it says, he could have served in the Boer War. I am not an expert in this field, but a little geneaology should tell you whether he was a relative, and with the info you already have, tracing his actual grave should be easy, or have you already done that? It looks as though it could be in Belgium.

War graves visits are an excellent way for students to learn, because it captures their interest. Unfortunately, not many teachers are too keen on residentials, because of all the negative publicity concerning health and safety.
It is not all that onerous, but it is, contrary to popular opinion, damned hard work, and the common assumption that if anything goes wrong, it is the teachers fault, acts a severe disincentive to staff.
Hasn't put me off even though my union position is not to get involved.
Trying to get some interest in a visit to the war graves of Flanders going, so we'll have to see.
Jim

[scubadoguk]

Originally Posted by kath2407

I would like to think that I am not long out of school tho each passing day makes that really a lie!!!! However, I have been watching the Auschwitz thing on BBC2 and found it really good.

However, what really annoys me is that during my school history lessons I learnt about Red Indians and the Battle of Little Big Horn, Medicine Thro Time but absolutley nothing about British History.

Why is it that every child in America can resite all of the presidents in order but I personally wasn't taught who was Prime Minister before Maggie.

I hated history becuase I couldn't see the relevant of General Custer to my life. I'm sure I would have felt a lot better being taught about British history, the stuff that shaped our country and the people in it.

The education system is just another way of telling the people of Britain that our history isn't good enough. We have nothing worth learning about so lets learn about the Americans instead.

<End of Rant>

Kath XX

I live in Indiana in the USA and I teach at a camp in Michigan camp is a period where kids are sent off by the parent for a month, the kids are on the whole very nice but having a month away a few things come apparent very quick, there are a huge amount spent by parents to help with A.D.D or a more commonly called "kids" just loads of medicated kids.
The average American kid has little to no knowledge of geography or history, the DM I had last year was a nice guy from Australia on a trip away from camp to Tobermory to do some wreck diving we were in a van with 8 kids aged between 12 and 16 for a long drive so the kids started asking questions like was Australia a big enough island to have motorways or lorries, the guys did not know that Mexico was a country below the USA.
Then the subject of history came up I knew more about American history than many of the young guys in the group, they know little about WW2 and less than a Little about world history, I know I had a poor standard of personal schooling, we know this by reading my posts but the guys leaving school over here have little knowledge of world events of yesterday let alone a few Century's ago.

[Zdu]

That article from the Telegraph equating abortion with the Nazi programme of mass extermination made me absolutely furious.

I certainly don't want to start a pro-life/ pro-choice debate (as it's such an emotive subject) so I'm talking soley about the article here.

I found the Telegraph's use of the Auschwitz memorial as a tool to promote a seriously flawed yet politicised pro-life argument absolutely disgraceful.

[Mr T.]

Originally Posted by Zdu

That article from the Telegraph equating abortion with the Nazi programme of mass extermination made me absolutely furious.

So furious that you don't state why? Curious.

Originally Posted by Zdu

I certainly don't want to start a pro-life/ pro-choice debate (as it's such an emotive subject) so I'm talking soley about the article here.

And maybe if you addressed the actual issue as opposed to a 'debate about the debate' we might make progress?

Originally Posted by Zdu

I found the Telegraph's use of the Auschwitz memorial as a tool to promote a seriously flawed yet politicised pro-life argument absolutely disgraceful.

Zdu - it's certainly an opinion, but I guess it depends on you or someone else proving that life begins at some point other than conception. And yet you fail to suggest or say why it is either 'flawed' or 'politicised'? Although, killing babies en masse does take the backing of a government and political will to see it through, I guess...

Maybe if there'd been a few more 'pro-lifers' around in the Nazi party (as opposed to 'pro-choice' - the choice to kill en masse a specific part of society, the Jews in that case; whereas in the Telegraph's example all we're doing is swapping that section of society - the Jews - for the voiceless and voteless unborn), history may have been different?

Perhaps worth considering.

I always find it commical when people wax lyrical about their 'right' to be 'pro-choice', when in the next sentence they're prepared to remove all choice and the life of the the most defenceless elements of society without a thought and dress it up as their 'right'. Who stands for the rights of the unborn? The only right any of us have, as a right, is the right to life, and yet society deems it fit that that should be removed - without question - from a whole section of society it deems inconvenient and unwanted - tell me Zdu: how does that differ from the Nazis again? I think we may only be looking at differences in methods of disposal of the bodies mate; as, as with the Nazis, it's NOT the killing in numbers which is the problem faced by either camp, it's the disposal of the corpses. And with bitter irony, ovens are used in both examples....

[D.D.J]

hi
tomorrow at school we are all off timetable...so we don't have our normal lessons and we are having an afternoon dedicated to the holocaust...where we are filling in sheets, watching performances etc...last week we had a two hour video showing us what went on...which i really respect all that went through it but i didn t want to watch it because it was really sad and grusum...seeing dead bodies dragged, but i don t think that tomorrow should go unnoticed.

[Ted]

Originally Posted by Mr T.

Perhaps worth considering.

I always find it commical when people wax lyrical about their 'right' to be 'pro-choice', when in the next sentence they're prepared to remove all choice and the life of the the most defenceless elements of society without a thought and dress it up as their 'right'. Who stands for the rights of the unborn? The only right any of us have, as a right, is the right to life, and yet society deems it fit that that should be removed - without question - from a whole section of society it deems inconvenient and unwanted - tell me Zdu: how does that differ from the Nazis again? I think we may only be looking at differences in methods of disposal of the bodies mate; as, as with the Nazis, it's NOT the killing in numbers which is the problem faced by either camp, it's the disposal of the corpses. And with bitter irony, ovens are used in both examples....

So Mr.T Your now the voice of Anti abortion on YD and also decide to compare it to the Holocaust. You have no idea as I've said to you in the bad rep you trully are scraping the barrel with this one. To try and compare one with the other it really shows how ignorant you are.

[Mr T.]

Originally Posted by Ted

So Mr.T Your now the voice of Anti abortion on YD..

Err..No Ted - I knew it wouldn't take long for someone to miss the point...

I merely took a newspaper article and put it up for debate. It's got sod-all to do with YD or the opinion of YD (as on this topic I can tell you YD doesn't have an opinion). As a free man in a free country, you might do well to remember that we are still - last time I checked - allowed to comment on issues in life with which we might, by turns, agree or disagree.

Originally Posted by Ted

...and also decide to compare it to the Holocaust.

So you're emotive side saw the words 'abortion' and Holocaust' and then removed your ability to juggle with or extrapolate rationale or debate now did it? What bit about the parallel between the object and wholesale removal of rights (life in both cases - abortion and the Jews) do you not get? Please, I'm genuinely interested to learn. Or are you one of these folks who's just very vocal in their disapproval and incapable of explaining why?

Originally Posted by Ted

You have no idea as I've said to you in the bad rep you trully are scraping the barrel with this one. To try and compare one with the other it really shows how ignorant you are.

Ah yes, your awarding of the following: Ted wrote "There's no politics on YD. Take this shit somewhere else!! Your really scraping the barrel with this."

Ted, there is politics in all facets of life - see the polls section and any number of threads in the Non-Diving Section. Whether you agree with them or not is a completely different matter. You sate that I'm 'ignorant' and have 'no idea', and yet you're incapable of or unwilling to explaining why? So you're happy to shout me down without explanation, eh? Rather reminiscent of the Beir Kellars which heralded in the Nazis and their stifling of debate or counterpoint also, what? Shout loud, without reasonable explanation and hope to crush any comment or objection?

And I'm the ignorant one? OK mate.