Human belief (non-religious) vs. fact

[MATTBIN]

Presumably though Spike, the 6 injections are three different proteins(x2)? The MMR jab is presumably also made up of three different proteins so as to build up immunisation for the three different illnesses, again two lots of injections so 6 protein doses?
Or doesnt it work like that, also could it not be that the liklihood of anaphylactic shock could be heightened in the multi (MMR) jab?

Matt

[Ian@1904]

I have GP and pharmacists in the family and sought their advice. They had their kids done so we felt safe and went the mmr route.

It was an interesting few days as our daughter had some mild side effects. Temperatures etc. Glad we made that decision.

[Spike Jackson]

Yes Matt the viral proteins will be different for each vaccine but some of the proteins may be antigenically similar enough for the body to "recognise" it as something it has been exposed to before.

I don't know how these particular vaccines are produced but many vaccines are passaged through cells to attenuate the virus. If each vaccine was prduced in a similar fashion the jabs would have similar "contaminants" or by products within them, possibly enough to induce anaphylaxis.

Please note that I am NOT a doctor - the above is all conjecture/educated guess work. I would personally encourage any parent to get as much unbiased and un-hyped info on the subject as possible before making a decision.

[Gavin Smith]

Originally Posted by Spike Jackson

I would personally encourage any parent to get as much unbiased and un-hyped info on the subject as possible before making a decision.

Above all else make sure you get your children vaccinated whichever way you do it.

By far the biggest problem is that so many people didn't get them done at all.

[Helen F H]

When i was vaccinated against meningitis (in the middle of a crisis where a mate actually had meningitis), we were told that vaccination does not guarantee immunity.

Anyone who has exported an animal abroad knows that rabies may take several attempts to achieve sufficient levels of immunity (at much cost to the owner).

[Andy the Coastie]

Poor old FINLESS'S parents are kicking themselves now ..

[MATTBIN]

Originally Posted by Porg

When i was vaccinated against meningitis (in the middle of a crisis where a mate actually had meningitis), we were told that vaccination does not guarantee immunity.

Anyone who has exported an animal abroad knows that rabies may take several attempts to achieve sufficient levels of immunity (at much cost to the owner).

And some only for a certain period of time e.g. Tetanus - 10yrs, hence the recommendation for a 10yr booster injection.

Matt

[Spike Jackson]

Originally Posted by Porg

When i was vaccinated against meningitis (in the middle of a crisis where a mate actually had meningitis), we were told that vaccination does not guarantee immunity.

Anyone who has exported an animal abroad knows that rabies may take several attempts to achieve sufficient levels of immunity (at much cost to the owner).

Approx 95% of animals achieve a suffiicient immunity (based on blood test results) on one injection alone. Those that do not achieve a level of antibodies that satisfies the export requirements are still likely to be immune, at least according to the rabies vaccine manufacturers.

[Helen F H]

Originally Posted by Spike Jackson

Approx 95% of animals achieve a suffiicient immunity (based on blood test results) on one injection alone. Those that do not achieve a level of antibodies that satisfies the export requirements are still likely to be immune, at least according to the rabies vaccine manufacturers.

We must have been doing something wrong then. I know of one dog who had to come back three times (each with the month waiting for the blood test and his owners departure date getting ever closer) to get re-injected so he could go and live in France. There were several others who had to come back again for re-injection too. I bet Nobivac were rubbing their hands!

But it still stands, vaccination does not guarantee immunity.

[Spike Jackson]

You're right about vaccination not guaranteeing immunity. There are a large numbers of factors that affect how an animal responds to a vaccine. I have heard of a dog needing three rabies vaccines in order to meets PETS export requirements, Nobivac paid for the third vaccine and one of the blood tests.

Its highly possible that a tiny percentage of animals NEVER become immune, no matter how often you vaccinate them. The vast majority of normal healthy animals respond adequately.