What hope is there for the rest of us when the Police can't be arsed?

[Midnight]

Originally Posted by scubajay

(Harlow on days and out to Slough etc heading west.

Slough eh? Is that because all of the Slough uniforms are in "make-up" getting ready for their spot on "Police Camera Action"!!!

A show I love because it shows the cops getting a rare upper-hand over the scumbags.

Midnight

[stevechesh]

Originally Posted by Midnight

Slough eh? Is that because all of the Slough uniforms are in "make-up" getting ready for their spot on "Police Camera Action"!!!

A show I love because it shows the cops getting a rare upper-hand over the scumbags.

Midnight

Aren't they all actors though

[Daz217]

Originally Posted by onthetrain

I'm not having that one. I am responsible for probationer training in Dorset and can assure you that (almost) all officers are authorised to drive police vehicles before they go on patrol. Their driving authorisations are done in week 17 of their training!

There are only two exceptions.

2 officers who don't drive period, ie no driving licence. The Government have decreed that you don't need to be able to drive to be a police officer so we have to take non drivers!!

In this instance your source is talking crap

I could not drive period when i joined the force aged 18.5 Yrs which was a while ago well 18 ish years ago ish...........
In all honesty it did me more good than i could have imagined as i walked a footbeat for 3 years and learnt to ply my trade i learned loads by trial and error and those lessons have served me well throughout my service all of which has been frontline uniformed. I then passed my driving test both civilian(took lessons on my days off) and then a while later the police driving course.
I remember wanting that police authorisation to drive soooooo badly and when i got it i just wanted my old beat back which i hasten to add i walked every shift rain or shine and on my own with a wooden stick and some handcuffs, ey when i were a lad etc etc etc..........
Looking back the footbeat days were probably the happiest of my service to date.Mind you do bobbies walk anymore?judging by the calls i hear from colleagues asking for lifts for distances of less than a mile and in some cases a few hundred yards i guess not. So i have to agree and say that there is no need to hold a driving licence to join the Police. Sure it helps but in all honesty most people hold a licence anyway so it will only be the odd one like me who needed a job in the first instance namely the Police in order to pay for my driving lessons.
Anyway Driver training are always looking for work so why not have them teach the non drivers from scratch.

[JonP]

Originally Posted by stevechesh

Aren't they all actors though

Nope. One of them is a member of our Club. He's a real dog handler

[Buster Lung]

Originally Posted by Daz217

In all honesty it did me more good than i could have imagined as i walked a footbeat for 3 years and learnt to ply my trade i learned loads by trial and error and those lessons have served me well throughout my service all of which has been frontline uniformed.

Couldn't agree more.

There's far too many Police officers driving around in cars with horse blinkers on and not integrating with the community. A lot of valuable intelligence can be gathered by walking the beat and talking to the public. (in my opinion).

Correct me if I'm wrong but...... In the good old days officers carried out several weeks of training, some of it in force and some of it at a Police training college. During this time they had a chance to speak to officers within other force areas and share experiences and information. They normally didn't get to drive Police vehicles until they'd served a bit of time gaining experience with a tutor constable and patrolling an area on foot. By it's very nature this form of training made better officers. Nowadays I understand that due to financial reasons Dorset Police Officers now carry out all their training in force and are handed a set of car keys at the earliest opportunity.

Unfortunately the majority of the general public don't see what really goes on within the Police Service and are blissfully ignorant of the failings.

Each officer that struggles with poor equipment, lack of support, lack of time, manpower etc.... and does the job properly no matter what, should be commended. However, by doing so they are in fact damaging society in the long run. As long as the people at the top can see on paper that the job is being done, they'll never do anything to change the situation.

The general public need to report every offence they witness, however petty and the Police need to record it, in order to give the Government an accurate picture of what's happening within society. The "I can't be bothered to report it, the Police won't do anything" attitude won't change things.

The Police Officers on the ground also need to report failings at every opportunity rather than struggle on regardless. It's about time MPs and Senior Police Officers earned their pay and we as UK citizens got the service we deserve.

Thanks for listening.

[Andy the Coastie]

Originally Posted by Buster Lung

The general public need to report every offence they witness, however petty and the Police need to record it, in order to give the Government an accurate picture of what's happening within society. The "I can't be bothered to report it, the Police won't do anything" attitude won't change things.

The Police Officers on the ground also need to report failings at every opportunity rather than struggle on regardless. It's about time MPs and Senior Police Officers earned their pay and we as UK citizens got the service we deserve.

Thanks for listening.

Couldn't agree more.

These PCSO's are one of our area greatest waste of money, the silly wages they are paid should be put to better use and thier jobs scrapped OR replace them with PROPER COPPERS .

((( I won't say what I saw yesterday. YET ... But I will be at the same place and time today armed with digital camera and mobile phone )))

[clockworkdog]

I never happened to be a fan of PCSO's. However, since with my current role, many of my staff are PCSO's. I have to say that whilst not all are good, some are very good. They will also make very very good coppers when they join - and they do. The role of a a PCSO is different from a copper and that's a good thing.

If it's resourced right, then the PCSO role is fine. In the met, we have Safer Neighbourhoods. 35,000 police officers and now several thousand PCSO's means that we have coppers to do the job (although it still seems not enough). In the met, the PCSO's have not taken a single copper's job. In fact the number of police officer's has gone up. Safer Neighbourhoods is paid for by the GLA (good old Ken) and is money over and above. That's why there are strict rules about deployment (Ken threatened to withdraw funding if we didn't stop using them for non-community policing stuff - and they monitor it!). The fact is that a lot of police forces abuse the role and send them to stuff that police officer's should go to - that creates resentment because they can't do the coppers job.

A find that a very high percentage of PC's have a misunderstanding of the PCSO role and believe they're useless. I am sure that many people on this thread can give examples of why that is the case - I can give examples too, but also examples of crap PC's (I think that's how this thread started!!!!??!!)

I have high expectations of my staff and they know it. Crap management = crap performance. Measure people on the wrong things and often many only do those things and nothing else - coz they are under huge pressures from daft KPI targets!

None of us are perfect and I've made my mistakes, the same as most other people. Bottom line is we all have to try and do a good job and never accept or put up with those who let us down. Here endeth defence of PCSO's..... incoming..... :-o

Originally Posted by Andy the Coastie

Couldn't agree more.

These PCSO's are one of our area greatest waste of money, the silly wages they are paid should be put to better use and thier jobs scrapped OR replace them with PROPER COPPERS .

((( I won't say what I saw yesterday. YET ... But I will be at the same place and time today armed with digital camera and mobile phone )))

[Buster Lung]

Originally Posted by Andy the Coastie

((( I won't say what I saw yesterday. YET ... But I will be at the same place and time today armed with digital camera and mobile phone )))

What did ya see Andy? What was it? What? What? Show us. Oh go on!

[Andy the Coastie]

I'll let on once I get a letter back from a inspector ... but yes, finally got my piccie at last. Mr Bust


In reply to Mr Clockydog ....... Like all job's , only takes a bad apple to upset the whole apple cart........but there is a big BUT and scaring people into a false sense of security when you have that magic word POLICE wrote on you.

Your understand what I mean as soon as I get a reply .... :wink

[clockworkdog]

Originally Posted by Andy the Coastie

I'll let on once I get a letter back from a inspector ... but yes, finally got my piccie at last. Mr Bust


In reply to Mr Clockydog ....... Like all job's , only takes a bad apple to upset the whole apple cart........but there is a big BUT and scaring people into a false sense of security when you have that magic word POLICE wrote on you.

Your understand what I mean as soon as I get a reply .... :wink

Mr Cockydog.... Outrageous! :-) Agreed re word POLICE being too big - at least in the met they have blue shirts. Essex give them white shirts same as coppers - deliberately IMHO...