Why are we dressing up spineless wankers in Police uniforms?

[Captain Deco]

Originally Posted by Daz217

It's all too easy to comment on a news story without being in possession of the facts.

TRUE

There was suggestion on the news that the poor lad was already under the water by the time the PCSO's arrived if this is right i can't see what they could have done but again i don't know the circumstances of the incident,Distance from the shore depth of the water etc etc.

SO WHAT. THEY COULD HAVE GONE AND LOOKED ANYWAY.

I can't imagine that they stood by and watched him struggling on the surface without trying to do something.

FAIR ENOUGH

It's hard to comment without the full circumstances being available. It is indeed very sad that this has happened but why were such young children playing unsupervised around water? I feel very very sorry for the parents.

EASY PLATITUDE...STILL - THE PCSO'S SHOULD HAVE GONE AND LOOKED. COMMON SENSE WOULD HAVE TOLD THEM WHAT TO DO - IF THEY COULDN'T SWIM THEN FAIR ENOUGH.

Whatever your thoughts are on PCSO's it is not their fault that they applied for and obtained an advertised job some are actually very competant individuals.

REALLY? I DISAGREE.


Paying peanuts does not come into it they are well paid and actually out earn Police Officers just starting out in their service to the tune of about £2000.

YOU'RE RIGHT THERE.

Sorry about the caps there.....I wanted to answer individual points without a million quote boxes. In my force nearly all of the PCSO's are oxygen thieves.....wastes of space. They separate the hours in their day bewtween: texting, eating, smoking, filling up the radio airwaves with non-sensical blabber, and moving around in groups of five. They can't talk to the public, can't write legible forms and go way beyond their involvement levels when not required. The few that are any good all have applications in to be PC's, and they ask solid questions about how they can be of more use and as a result are willing to learn and grown into valuable members of the force. Most of the girl PCSO's are either pregnant, or fawning over someone's baby. Inarticulate and just uniforms that move around.

Originally Posted by Hickdive

I wouldn't be too hard on the PCSOs, they're just trying to make a living like the rest of us but are being sent to do a job that they don't necessarily have the training for. The ones in question are almost certainly pretty beaten up about what happened.

Well that's alright then. They feel bad, so it's ok then.

Originally Posted by dry suit diver

PCSO= Proper Coppers Sold Out

Or as they say in the Met: C.H.I.M.P.S - Can't Help In Most Police Situations.

Originally Posted by Timbobaggins

Please do not knock the PCSO's, the reason why a lot of them are PCSO's is because they want to be Police Officers.

Until very recently the Met would only recruit you to be a regular officer if you were one of the following

A DDO ( dedicated detention officer ) a Gaoler who looks after the banged up villains in police cells

A PCSO ( Police Community Support Officer ) eyes and ears of the police, relate with the community ect ect. No powers as such, carry a radio and call for the police if they see something

GOOD FOR THE MET. AS AN ASIDE THOUGH, THE EYES AND EARS THING ONLY WORKS IF THEY LOOK AND SEE, AND RECORD STUFF. YESTERDAY I ATTENDED A JOB WHERE 2 SUSPECTS FOR DAMAGE HAD BEEN DETAINED BY A PLATOON OF PCSO'S. THEY LET THE DAMAGED TRAIN LEAVE THE STATION WITHOUT PHYSICALLY LOOKING AT THE DAMAGE AND THEY LET THE INDEPENDENT WITNESS LEAVE WITHOUT TAKING DETAILS. CLUELESS THE LOT OF THEM. WE HAVE HAD UMPTEEN TRAINING DAYS, BUT ALL THEY DO IS GRIN MORONICALLY AND IT SAILS IN ONE EAR/OUT THE OTHER.

Special Constable, all the powers and same uniform and equipment as a regular.

TOP GUYS. WITH EXPERIENCE OVER TIME THEY ARE USUALLY VERY GOOD. I HAVE WORKED WITH LOADS, AND 99% ARE EXCELLENT. THE CRAP ONES GO OUT THE WINDOW SOON ENOUGH.

SRO ( Station reception officer) Nice smiley helpful face when you pop in the nick to report youve lost your wallet ect .

NO PROBLEMS THERE. THEY ARE GOOD TOO.

So a lot of these types in the Met do it coz its the only way to become a fully sworn regular constable.

I would have done it if i had to. Instead i joined in 1986 when they would take any idiot that was looking for a big pension and to do nothing but eat donuts all day at the tax payers expense.

Well I joined back then as well, so I know what you mean - again, sorry for the caps lock, but I wanted to address some points minus the quotes.

[paramedic paul]

Originally Posted by Amlwchdiver

it is not just the police who have members of staff not as highly trained as front line staff to assist them, the ambulance service uses volunteer's to respond to emergency calls. these people are given 23 hours training then allowed to respond.

I'm no expert on Police policy when it comes to PCSO deployment and whether they are backed up by a regular as a matter of course when they go to a Job but I can say that when a community first responder is sent to a job they are automatically backed up by a crew! (Well round here anyway)

Coming back to the original post and several others questioning the attitude of the PCSO's who attended this tragedy for not jumping in because they aren't trained to do so.
I have to agree, whether they are in uniform or not IMHO they should have done what they could without putting themselves in danger, but, if I was to follow my training to the letter, if I turned up to a similar incident (Heaven forbid) I would have to call for Fire Brigade back up and not enter the water myself!

Would I wait, would I ballcox, I can swim, i'm a qualified lifesaver, I would do what I could and hang the consequences. If I get a bollocking from the Ivory Tower so what, if I can make a difference and help someone then it's worth it. I do my job to help people and hopefully make a difference (sometimes) NOT BECAUSE I WANT TO WEAR A UNIFORM! ( I look crap in it anyway!!!!)


My 2p

[Amlwchdiver]

Originally Posted by paramedic paul

I'm no expert on Police policy when it comes to PCSO deployment and whether they are backed up by a regular as a matter of course when they go to a Job but I can say that when a community first responder is sent to a job they are automatically backed up by a crew! (Well round here anyway) My 2p

i never said they where not backed up. i was only trying to point out that the ambulance service also uses less trained staff in an effort to maintain a high profile in an area. i am a rapid response paramedic and on two occasions i have been backed up by first responders. all the emergency services lack proper funding to enable them to fully carry out there duties, the policy makers have failed to support us all. you only need to look at our pay offer and then they want to dilute it over 2 years.

[Timbo]

Quote,,
Jordon was playing at the edge of the pond, known locally as John Pit, off Wigan Lower Road, in Standish Lower Ground, with his two brothers, stepbrother and stepsister on 3 May.

He was trying to support Bethany as she struggled in the six-feet-deep water before slipping from view.

Anglers managed to pull Bethany out but Jordon was out of sight before they could get to him.

The alarm was raised and the PCSOs arrived on the scene. Police said they could see no sign of Jordon in the water, so they radioed trained officers for help.

Unquote,,

[nickb]

Originally Posted by MattS

I am fairly well trained in rescuing people from the water and have done so. I very much doubt I would immediately strip to the waste to go hunting for someone else's child, in a 6ft deep public pond at the start of May, who descended out of view, sometime before I arrived. I should not have to explain or justify that decision to any rescue trained diver.

Then shame on you.

Does your rescue training force you to undertake some sort of detailed analysis into the likely outcome of a search & rescue and, if the outcome should appear to be less than positive, would you just stand there shaking your head saying there's nothing you could do.

Well I've had rescue training too and I have to say that, no matter how unlikely it would be that the child's life could have been saved, I would have searched until I couldn't physically continue.

Originally Posted by MattS

I am sorry my opinion of the 'proper' Police just fell several notches.

And my opinion of you just fell through the floor. I didn't quote any of the stuff you wrote slagging off the parents, you heartless ****, in the hope that you'll see sense and edit that crap out of your post. If you were standing in front of me right now, I'd smack you in the mouth and would struggle to stop kicking you on the way down.

[Simon Lamb]

Originally Posted by MattS

I am fairly well trained in rescuing people from the water and have done so. I very much doubt I would immediately strip to the waste to go hunting for someone else's child

You pr*ck. Do you have children?

[Mal Bridgeman]

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