Petrol prices to increase tomorrow

[JasonP]

Originally Posted by Richard Mason

Jesus, that's double what we pay, good job everythings close together over there.

You're not entirely comparing like with like as standard unleaded in 95 RON in the UK and not the 92 RON stuff that you have. Even so, it's a big difference.

Jason

[Richard Mason]

Originally Posted by JasonP

You're not entirely comparing like with like as standard unleaded in 95 RON in the UK and not the 92 RON stuff that you have. Even so, it's a big difference.

Jason

95 RON (that I put in my Falcon) is $1.26 which is what I was quoting on, 92 RON is even cheaper, at $1.19 or 47.6p. The 98 which I've started using of late as I get more KMs out of it, works out at 56p.

[aclivity]

Originally Posted by Richard Mason

95 RON (that I put in my Falcon) is $1.26 which is what I was quoting on, 92 RON is even cheaper, at $1.19 or 47.6p. The 98 which I've started using of late as I get more KMs out of it, works out at 56p.

can you bag some up and put it in the post to us?

[Mark Chase]

Originally Posted by chrisch

What a good thing. Petrol is far too cheap. I take it no one gives a fuck about the environment. More tax please...

Chris

It has absolutely sod all to do with the environment. We passed that point years ago. We all look at the MPG our cars do when we buy them which is why diesels are more popular than ever and very few of us drive V8s.

I bought a new car on Saturday. Its available in a Bio-fuel version but my nearest station doing Biofule is East Grinstead about 40miles away so it was no good to me.

If the govt was serious about going green it would insist that ALL car manufacturers had to provide a Bio Fuel version of their imported cars. Very simple to do as Bio fuel cars also run on petrol.

The Govt would also insist that All petrol stations offer at least one bio fuel pump.

Bio fuel has all the green advantages of LPG and non of the problems that prevent us all using it..


But they wont do this.

Why?

Because they would loose billions in tax revenue.

It would be very green but they are not interested in green only tax dollars.


Will 2p affect my car usage? no of course not even if petrol was £5. a ltr it wouldn't make any difference. I have to use my car i have no choice.

I will just put up my prices for the services i provide in order to cover the cost. As will every one else.

ATB

Mark Chase

[Mark Chase]

Originally Posted by Scuttler

My understanding is that the duty on fuel is exactly the same as on petrol....it's the fuel companies that are putting the price of diesel higher than that of petrol. I can't remember where I read it but apparently this started to happen when more and more cars owners started switching from petrol to diesel.

I don't know how other governments tax their fuel but it is interesting that in France where the majority of cars are diesel (or certainly seem to be everytime i drive there) although the prices are not a million miles from the prices we pay (still cheaper though) that diesel is less expensive than petrol.

Diesels are much more economical than Petrol engined cars. As a result if every one drove a diesel and got 30% more MPG then the govt would lose that equivalent level in tax on fuel.

In 1970 probably 1 in 1000 cars were diesel. In 1980 probably 1 in 500

Now in 2007 I reckon its more like 1 in 3 new cars sold is a diesel

So they increased the tax on diesel to make it less attractive and to compensate for this affect. The fact a modern diesel is less of a green house gas pollutant than a petrol engined car seems to have been conveniently overlooked.

ATB

Mark Chase

[Bantam]

Originally Posted by chrisch

What a good thing. Petrol is far too cheap. I take it no one gives a fuck about the environment. More tax please...

Chris

Chris,

And I thought you were intelligent enough to know that Global Warming is a convenient fallacy to help drive profits for environmental businesses and research.

I quote;
"The current global warming trend is more likely due to increased volcanic
activity than to greenhouse gas emissions. The amount of gasses
produced from volcanic eruptions far surpass the damaging emissions
produced by man. The increase in volcanic eruptions in the 150 years
prior to 1912 are most likely responsible for the milder temperatures
we are experiencing today. In fact, according to scientists like
Physicist Russell Rickert and geologist David Johnson, another ice age
is far more likely to occur, and it would be far damaging to the
environment than the proposed global warming that environmentalists
consider so alarming. According to David Johnson, “the warming trend
we have been experiencing since the Little Ice Age has actually slowed
during the past 50 years-the one period in history in which mankind
has produced significant “greenhouse gases.”

As a geologist and scientist, my biggest issue is that the environmentalists are basing their scaremongering on a very short (i.e. 10 year) base of data. I've seen thousands and millions of years of data stored in the record of the rocks and I can categorically say this has happened before (and it has been worse) and it will happen again. This freak weather isn't anything unusual. It's just that we've had it good for 100 years or so. Just look back a bit further and you'll notice what we're getting now is not unusual. It's just media hyping the things which they plainly don't understand.

For us to say that as humans we're causing this is gross arrogance - if you really believe that Global Warming is real, you owe it to yourself to re-read all the evidence and base it on cold hard fact and truth, rather than conjecture and popular opinion.

The main problem this planet has to worry about is not global warming - it's that we will soon run out of the normal simple method of fuelling our lifestyles - Oil / Gas etc.. Just look at the increasing millions of barrels of oil being consumed in China and India to see what I mean, not to mention the Yanks who seem to be hell bent on using up whatever resources we have left.

That will soon be the fundamental reasons for petrol costs being so high - not an 'environmental' spin, but pure supply and demand, with the costs of obtaining said supply spiralling out of control.

Sorry. Rant over. As you were (My one post over a month so I should make it count, eh. I'll stick my neck away now...)

M.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by aclivity

can you bag some up and put it in the post to us?

sure Andy. australia post airmail rates work out about a pound per kilo. still interested?

[dry suit diver]

Originally Posted by chrisch

What a good thing. Petrol is far too cheap. I take it no one gives a fuck about the environment. More tax please...

Chris

what they gonna do with the tax buy a new environment

[chrisch]

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

....
Bio fuel has all the green advantages of LPG and non of the problems that prevent us all using it..

....

Neither biofuel nor LPG are remotely green. LPG is better for clean air in cities and should be used by urban buses (sorry Ken - that's one you got wrong). Biofuel is the only hope in terms of the future motive fuel for automotive transport as it is renewable (Bantam's point).

To reduce CO2 you have to reduce fuel consumption. High fuel prices are one (somewhat ineffective and inefficient) way to do this. Like yourself Mark I have to say 2p a litre isn't going to make any odds to me.

Chris

[chrisch]

Originally Posted by Bantam

.....

As a geologist and scientist, my biggest issue is that the environmentalists are basing their scaremongering on a very short (i.e. 10 year) base of data. I've seen thousands and millions of years of data stored in the record of the rocks and I can categorically say this has happened before (and it has been worse) and it will happen again. This freak weather isn't anything unusual. It's just that we've had it good for 100 years or so. Just look back a bit further and you'll notice what we're getting now is not unusual. It's just media hyping the things which they plainly don't understand.

.....

Yes it has happened before and the weather/climate are cyclical. What is new is the sheer volume of greenhouse gasses that are being released by humanity. Never before in history has a species had this ability. We are altering the climate - that is a scientific fact and accepted by anyone that understands the process. The argument is how we are affecting it and by how much.

The issue is academic since, as I pointed out, no-one gives a fuck about the environment.

Chris