Low Lifes

[Hickdive]

DDD, You did the right thing. No matter how 'hard' some people think they are, in a fight between you and three other guys you'll always take second prize. There have been numerous incidents where people 'having a go' at groups of teens get severely beaten or even killed. It simply isn't worth it, even if you take first prize you'll end up in court for thrashing someone's little darling.

I've never been to AT and from this, probably never will. I'll stick to Florida where they search everyone and security is everywhere. I have seen people being ejected from Disney for inappropriate language.

Originally Posted by Daz217

Pete,
We have all become very secular and in my opinion this is why such behaviour breeds because collectivley we don't stand up to these sorry excuses for humanity.

Secularism causes acceptance of violent behaviour and lack of sense of community? Is that what you're saying?

[Ding Dang Doo]

It is still playing on my mind...

yes, my day was spoilt... not totally, but the magic seemed to vanish as this was happening.

I felt very isolated and vulnerable, not something that comes easily I can assure you.

After reading your comments, I probably will write to AT, explain what happened and see what they have to say about it.

Even if they make small changes by making security tighter, by the smallest of margins, or make a way of letting staff know there is a problem, then hopefully someone else will not have their day spoilt as I did.

If I get a reply, I'll let you know.

For those of you who have said that it would put you off going there, please think again - I'm sure it was just an isolated incident - it an be a great day out - and if you look around you can pick up some ways of softening the financial blow, with 2 for 1's and such.

Thanks again, to you all - it's great to have a bit of a sounding block.

Pete

[Debs]

You were in an impossible situation if there was no help to be had from others around you and yes you did the right thing. The gratest shame of all is that no-one came to help you, if more people came to others aid we'd not have half as much trouble as society currently has.

We had an incident last Christmas with a group of youths contiuously damaging the hedges and other minor vandalism along the road, to cut a long story short my husband ended up rugby tackling one of them while the group was trying to run away (the boy p*ssed himself and sobbing he was so worried).

The reaction of the neighbours - ooo you shouldn't do that you'll get into trouble from the law - ah so they'd be no help there then if anything further were to occur.

The reaction from the gits - not a single incident on our road nearly 11 months on.

I think perhaps there might be a lesson there.

[stevechesh]

Originally Posted by Ding Dang Doo

Thanks all,

some very valid points in most of the above posts.

It did go though my head to put the kids in a queue for a ride, and then go looking for the (no so little) little to$$ers, but, as has been said, three to one really isn't the best of odds!

Still bugging me a bit though - my kids (13 and 11) were, to their credit, very understanding, and they/we had a long discussion about it in the car on the way home. If anything has come out of it, I can tell that they were as shocked and disgusted by these guys actions as I was (and both admitted to being a bit scared until we were well away from them), and they could see the effect it was having on the rest of the queue who were nearby. They have also seen that I can bite my lip, and known when to 'walk away' from a potentially difficult situation - I hope they take note, and feel that they can do the same.

Would it be worth writing to Alton Towers? Not sure what they could do... saying that, I've never seen any sort of security there - no one to approach... all of the rides are operated by young people, most of whom wouldn't be able to do anything in a crisis... so could be worth it.

Pete

Hi Pete...

My thoughts have been echoed in previous posts about your experience and i hope this incident didn't totally ruin your day. Although sadly, this is the likely thing that you will remember, and not the 'happier times' of the day out.

I do think there is 1 really major plus point though. Your childrens comments and thoughts, prove that there are still a lot of good parents out there who teach their children to be polite and have some respect. Something that is sadly lacking these days. I hope (and suspect) you take an immense amount of pride in that.

Sadly it's the minority who spoil it for the majority

regards

Steve

[Mick F]

You did the right thing Pete, much as it might stick in your craw.

Respect.

[glanrichbex]

Hi Pete,

As others have said here, you DID do the right thing - don't cut your self up anymore about it. There have been and always will be these scroats about, it's just that you were in the wrong place at the wrong time - if not you it would have been someone else. What goes around comes around - they are low life and those types don't get far in life and become very lonely later on in life.
As for the rest of us as a whole, it's about time we stood up to these w***ers and assist others in need even if we don't know them. They do it because they can and they do because we all let them. If just a few people had turned around and showed that these twats behaviour was unacceptable and it was not going to be tolerated then they would have left with their tales between their legs.

If you see someone damage someone elses car and drive off- get the number and report them - just as you would wish someone do it for you.

Come-on people it's time to stand up against this type of behaviour.

again sorry to hear about you experience Pete, you showed more courage at the end of the day.

[paul-gte]

take consolation in the saying , live by the sword die by the sword,

regards paul

ps , hard as it may seem to accept now , you did the right thing

[royplumber]

sorry to hear this pete it's a bad one. I have been in this situation before.
I have gone up close to lads and said can i just have a chat lads. I would say to them very nice and kind that you have children and i don't like the swearing and would say is it ok if you could quieten you swearing please
most of the time they are good about it.

Make sure you have done the above before you say what i have written is a load of tosh.

[Daz217]

Originally Posted by Hickdive

Secularism causes acceptance of violent behaviour and lack of sense of community? Is that what you're saying?

No not really but it is imho responsible for the dramatic decline in moral behaviour and standards over the last 25 years or so which i suppose you could argue has caused acceptance of allsorts of immorality.

[Dave_S]

Originally Posted by Daz217

Pete,
We have all become very secular and in my opinion this is why such behaviour breeds because collectively we don't stand up to these sorry excuses for humanity.

Originally Posted by Hickdive

Secularism causes acceptance of violent behaviour and lack of sense of community? Is that what you're saying?

In a way yes as evidenced by the fact the other "decent" people in the que all looked at their shoes when this was going on.

Had the same thing occurred in a different time Pete would have been joined by several other fathers.

The comments concerning the Law are correct, that que would be covered by CCTV which would not have recorded sound or in all likelihood been of quality to show the spitting. The first thing visible to any investigating officer would have been Pete reaching down some ass hole's throat and pulling out his innards. The investigating officer would in all likelihood have sympathised with him over what had occurred, but would have had to mount an investigation on what the evidence had shown had occurred.

society thinks it's progressing when in actual fact it is just moving - they are not the same thing.