Loss of Military Life - 2 hours on the front page then relegated

[GLOC]

Originally Posted by Ferrets

[color=black]....I was in two minds really if I should reply to this post because it is going off topic a bit and seems to spoil what started as an excellent post. The first two posts and StevenSeagull's posts were excellent.

Getting back on track, I was quite interested listening to Monty Hall's talk at the NEC this year. He was asking the diving community to get behind a sponsored diving project for the "Help for Heroes" charity. They are basically trying to improve facilities at the Defence Medical Rehabilitation Center at Headley Court for wounded soldiers returning home. It might be a good way for people on YD to show their support. I'll try to get some more details and maybe start a new thread. Did anybody else get details on this one?

No but I would be very interested in helping out with something like this.

Regards

[dry suit diver]

that was with 30 seconds googling. the michaeal moore stuff actually provides credible references at the foot of each page where a reference has been made.

Originally Posted by Ferrets

I really think you need to consult some better sources if you seriously believe that Google and Michael Moore have the answers. Not everything you read on the internet is true and anybody with half a brain can post any amount of crap on here (see most of my YD posts). Michael Moore especially irritates me. His documentaries and books are so biased. And yes I have seen and read them. He would make some good points if he approached his work with some balance and independence (like BBC journalists do). Unfortunately he loses all credibility by using statistics and questionable sources to back up his opinions, rather than making his conclusions based on good sources.

“The Saddam in Rumsfeld’s Closet” – Common Dreams News Center for the Progressive Community is really a prime example. Although I am sure it contains a number of good points, it is hardly an “A1” source of information and the independent journalist lacks credibility.

Despite agreeing with the OP on here that the deaths of servicemen deserve greater exposure in the media, I am very proud of the BBC. They have, in my opinion, the best journalists and news team in the world. You would do well to use their product for a quality source of information instead of conspiracy theories and Michael Moore!

I was in two minds really if I should reply to this post because it is going off topic a bit and seems to spoil what started as an excellent post. The first two posts and StevenSeagull's posts were excellent.

Getting back on track, I was quite interested listening to Monty Hall's talk at the NEC this year. He was asking the diving community to get behind a sponsored diving project for the "Help for Heroes" charity. They are basically trying to improve facilities at the Defence Medical Rehabilitation Center at Headley Court for wounded soldiers returning home. It might be a good way for people on YD to show their support. I'll try to get some more details and maybe start a new thread. Did anybody else get details on this one?

[Ferrets]

Originally Posted by dry suit diver

that was with 30 seconds googling. the michaeal moore stuff actually provides credible references at the foot of each page where a reference has been made.

Yes but many of his quotes and references are taken out of context. As I said, he uses his sources and statistics to reinforce his opinions. It is like me making a statement and then trying to find evidence to fit that claim. And then manipulating it to back up the statement. A good journalist should approach the subject with an open mind and look at the evidence from both points of view. They should make their conclusions based on this evidence without prior bias.

Another book was written about Michael Moore's books and documentaries. Although in many ways this book was just as bad as Moore’s work, it did show that Moore's work was manipulative and poorly researched.

[GLOC]

And then you see something like this...

Disabled veterans jeered at swimming pool - Telegraph

I know only a minority but it does make you wonder what makes these people tick...I cannot type what I feel at the moment regarding these 2 ignorant women.

[Ferrets]

Originally Posted by GLOC

And then you see something like this...

Disabled veterans jeered at swimming pool - Telegraph

I know only a minority but it does make you wonder what makes these people tick...I cannot type what I feel at the moment regarding these 2 ignorant women.

GLOC, really glad you posted that. This is basically what Monty was talking about with the Help for Heroes charity. They need better facilities at Headley Court so that injured soldiers can have their own private pool. Even without these idiots it must be hard for them to face swimming in a public pool soon after the injuries.

I received a reply from Monty this morning on my email saying that he had passed my details on to the organiser of the charity. So hopefully I will be able to put up some details soon.

[chrisch]

Originally Posted by GLOC

...I cannot type what I feel at the moment regarding these 2 ignorant women.

I think we can all understand that. I honestly think the Uk is becoming a less tolerant place. Notwithstanding how or why these men came by their injuries I think we should all encourage them on their rehabilitation. I can only think that the ignorant women were upset to confront the reality about disability. So many things in life are much easier to deal with if you can sweep them under the carpet or pretend the don't exist (look at climate change sceptics).

There should be no need to raise £5m for a pool for the service people. They should be welcomed by pools and other facilities as what they are - valuable members of society.

If I had been the pool manager I would of offered the women a refund and told them to fuck off.

Chris

[Fiona]

Originally Posted by chrisch

There should be no need to raise £5m for a pool for the service people. They should be welcomed by pools and other facilities as what they are - valuable members of society.

Chris

I agree Chris there should be no need to raise the funds, the pool should be provided. Headley Court was discussed a week or so ago on the radio and it really isn't a matter of the guys and girls being welcomed at a local pool the facilities should be on site so there is no need for them to travel and they can train in the comfort of their own surroundings.

[Ferrets]

Originally Posted by chrisch

There should be no need to raise £5m for a pool for the service people. They should be welcomed by pools and other facilities as what they are - valuable members of society.

It's true they should be welcomed. But another thing you have to look at is that it must be so hard for people with these injuries to go out to a public pool. My girlfriend is eight months pregnant and she hates using the public pool because she worries about how she looks. OK she is being a bit hormonal and I think she looks great, but I can imagine how uneasy people who might have amputated limbs must feel if they have to do this. It must be incredibily hard psycologically for them to come to terms with their injuries.

[Richard Mason]

Originally Posted by Ferrets

Yes but many of his quotes and references are taken out of context. As I said, he uses his sources and statistics to reinforce his opinions. It is like me making a statement and then trying to find evidence to fit that claim. And then manipulating it to back up the statement. A good journalist should approach the subject with an open mind and look at the evidence from both points of view. They should make their conclusions based on this evidence without prior bias.

Another book was written about Michael Moore's books and documentaries. Although in many ways this book was just as bad as Moore’s work, it did show that Moore's work was manipulative and poorly researched.

Moore doesn't do documentaries as such.......he is a polemicist.

[dry suit diver]

Originally Posted by GLOC

And then you see something like this...

Disabled veterans jeered at swimming pool - Telegraph

I know only a minority but it does make you wonder what makes these people tick...I cannot type what I feel at the moment regarding these 2 ignorant women.

these womwn need to be taken outside and shot,ressurected and shot again.

one word sums it up - scum