Why do people avoid contact when owing money?

[warmwaterdiver]

Unfortunately it does mean that some things will never be the same again

Wondering who the next one to try it on is going be be; friend or foe?

[Flipside]

i believe you should pay what owe, otherwise your word is worth nothing.

i have been very lucky with regards to people whom i have bought stuff from YD, they have been fantastic and very very helpful

Flipside

[PeeBee]

Originally Posted by nickb

Surely if you're running a business, you have your own terms and conditions, contracts etc. Why would YD standard practice for trip organisers have anything to do with it?

Unless you're trying to run your business on the cheap that is.

Yap Yap!

Nick
Thie following thread and a slightly earlier version have been up for a long time How to Book a 'Planned Trip' - UPDATED - ALL PLEASE READ!!
The rules, call them guidlines are there for skippers and divers, if we all use YD as a medium to organise or sign up to trips then seems reasonable that we all accept the rules too. Seems to me if you don't like the rules book directly through the skipper that way you agree to whatever Ts and Cs are agreed at the time. I guess it would have been different if Elfyn had asked for a deposit, I bet Zok wuld have tried harder to fill his slot then...

[Digger]

Originally Posted by Woz

Alternatively join a club where you know everyone personally rather than via a computer screen. People are sometimes very different in real life than online. Apart from me. I'm still an annoying tw@t in real life.

For example Digger in real life is a monocle wearing top-hatted monogamist who speaks perfect RP english and knows not to hold his knife like a pen or say "pardon".

Absolutely. In fairness I have been slow to pay people on occasion, and have only a few months ago managed to get my house in order with changing jobs, houses, girlfriends, and everything else. Sometimes you do genuinely forget. But once youv'e reminded someone they need to pay. Simple as that. I know I owed Gary money for a while on the assumption that being a mate I'd see him at various dives which then got canned, or driving past his house which I didn't manage. Often there's no intent to keep people waiting or cause problems, but it shouldn't be their problem.

To be honest taking money up front for trips is the way it gets. Gary you are probably too trusting of people because you're a nice guy and think others will be the same. James organised a massive trip last year in the Farnes and collected just abotu everything in advance from memory. No faffing about, you want to go you pay by a set date. If not paid you're off the list. Easy.

Oh, and green if anyone can guess which eye the monacle I use is in. Quick tip - same side as Napoleon wore his patch.

Digs.

[keith_henson]

Originally Posted by colinicky

Hmm interesting because I do happen to owe Gary money !
But I have the reverse problem in that I owe a yd'er money for a muti day trip & having found some reserves for my spaces I owe him the balance but the b***** won't tell me how much !

ps. Gary gets his money at Easter

sorry colin - its been a clusterfcuk with ill grandparents in hospital, too many long trips and a sodding head/inner ear infection that required no looking at a computer screen as it made me puke from loss of balance!

i am on the case this evening

[Acero]

Originally Posted by PeeBee

Nick
Thie following thread and a slightly earlier version have been up for a long time How to Book a 'Planned Trip' - UPDATED - ALL PLEASE READ!!
The rules, call them guidlines are there for skippers and divers, if we all use YD as a medium to organise or sign up to trips then seems reasonable that we all accept the rules too. Seems to me if you don't like the rules book directly through the skipper that way you agree to whatever Ts and Cs are agreed at the time. I guess it would have been different if Elfyn had asked for a deposit, I bet Zok wuld have tried harder to fill his slot then...

Or if I new that there were rules/guidelines set up and in place.
As an occasional visitor to YD I was not aware of that thread until after the fact. If at the start of any thread organising trips there was a pointer or link saying that this trip being organised on the understanding that these guidelines must be understood and followed then fair enough, yes I would have tried harder to make sure I was available.
Even a remark from AD’s reply to me on the thread saying “you do understand that if the places aren’t filled then we will still expect full payment”
As far as I was concerned at the time everything was honky dory, that was until a couple of weeks after the trip when I received a PM asking for £140.
So while I do accept that I was wrong for not following the rules, equally I am reluctant to make any payment because if I had known I would have been on the boat, and my family would have been celebrating my parents anniversary a couple of days later.
As a final I’d just like to apologise to both Terry and Elfyn and just say it was never my intention to cause you any grief

Andy

[Steve Jones]

Originally Posted by nickb

Surely if you're running a business, you have your own terms and conditions, contracts etc.

Although all skippers have stansard terms and conditions, sometimes they are waived. This could be when it is not possible to collect deposits when time is short.

Or when the client is "trusted" I am running about 10 trips this year, and as I know the skippers very well I have not paid a deposit for any of them. Now if I fcuk up they are going to be mighty displeased.

Not sure if any of this is relevant, but thought I would say it anyways.

Steve

[Angleseyskipper]

Originally Posted by alby scubakitmarket

its always the same in every walk of life there is always the minority toe rags that f..k it up for the rest of us

alby

yep thats the way it is Alby ,we did have a good set up with YD which went back a few years from when Mr T was on the boards,the aim to make sure skippers didn't get fcuked about with the charter fee.
made it more attractive for anyone thinking of organizing a trip.

sadly as we can all see ,that is no longer the case .



elfyn

[Crieagle]

I can understand and have sympathy for any skipper or organiser who has been stiffed on a boat trip. There must be nothing worse than having to fulfil their obligations to the paying divers knowing the trip is a non earner or even a loss maker.

Perhaps for future trips someone could post a sticky with some basic rules. Ie deposit, final payment etc. Unless of course there is one. Then ignorance and other excuses cannot be used as a defense.



Ignore me just spotted peebee's link to such a thread

[Angleseyskipper]

Originally Posted by Zok

So while I do accept that I was wrong for not following the rules, equally I am reluctant to make any payment because if I had known I would have been on the boat, and my family would have been celebrating my parents anniversary a couple of days later.
As a final I’d just like to apologise to both Terry and Elfyn and just say it was never my intention to cause you any grief

Andy

sorry but this doesn't wash with me ,i,m not intrested in an apology just the money i am owed.

elfyn