this was sent to me by a fellow diver and i agree with it popcorn time

[Paulus]

Originally Posted by Tunicates are Mad

Sharia law is, more or less, no different from marriage counceling, it has no legal standing whatsoever. Complaining about it is like trying to complain about having kosher food for sale in the supermarket!

.........and the next stop......oblivion.......



The world is changing for the worst but never mind the sand is as good a place as any to stick your head.

[Fiji Dave]

Originally Posted by ssteve

shit cos we have to bow down to everybody that comes to this country,which seems to be run by a spineless goverment an a load of tree hugging bloody do-gooders, who's country is it?????????? our country = our rules ,or bugger off.
ssteve

"our" country?? "Ours"???

Just exactly who is it that you think this country belongs to? The British? Well, I suppose it could be the british, but then the French have a pretty good claim to it - after all they invaded and won in 1066....

or maybe it should be the Italians - after all the Romans invaded in the first century... so maybe the country belongs to them....

or maybe the Angles, or the Jutes or the Saxons.... they invaded a while after that.... and none of them were "british"

None of them were British.... but they, their decendants and the countless numbers of other people who invaded, immigrated or just briefly visited this country are what make you, and I British.

Don't be under the poor misguided and frankly bigoted (from some of the comments made here) idea that "Britain" is some pure bred country that has evolved to where it is without massive influence from people outside it's boundaries - because it hasn't - half the words we use on an every day basis have their origins in another countries language. Have you never gone out for a curry, or a chinese - basic examples these may be but if you want everyone to "bugger off" then maybe they'll take their culture and everything they brought with them when they go.

"A spineless govt" this will be the govt that took the country to war when half the population were against it - I don't like that they did it, but it wasn't a spineless move. The same govt that is doing everything in it's power to increase anti terror legislation - be it good or bad - not really "spineless" is it.
And just who are these "tree hugging do-gooders"?
The only time you hear that phrase is when someone actually stands up for people against the bigotted comments like the original rant. I guess that makes me a tree hugging doo gooder too - well, frankly I'd rather hug trees than be associated with any of the comments inthe original rant. And I love the idea the "do gooder" should be an insult - how terrible, you do good? that's awfull, horrible, how could anyone who "does good things" live with themselves?? urgh!!!

WHen were you actually asked to bow down to someone who came into this country? I've been here 37 years and have never once been asked to bow for anyone. Mind you I've not met the Queen or her husband ( German and Greek in ancestry if I'm not mistaken.... and hey, you don't get more "British" than the Queen)

Oh, and back to the O/P - I think you'll find that very VERY few Muslims are offended by God. Why? Because they worship him. The Christian god and the muslim god are very, very similar.

And as has been pointed outthe originator of the rant wasn't John Howard, but if it was an Australian, do you not find it perverse that the rant should come from a country who's present majority population is the result of 200 years of imigration of other cultures. I think you'll find that the original Australians are Aboriginal in origin, a culture which much of "modern" Australia, - and probably with much help from the British govt in the early days, did their level best to wipe out. Hunting, killing, enslaving and stealing children of the people who were there first and who had more claim to Australia.


Well, it's late and there are only so many trees a man can hug bfore he gets tired - and the bark does chafe so..., so I'd best get some sleep - I have a long day of do-gooding tomorrow.

[Paulus]

Originally Posted by Fiji Dave

"our" country?? "Ours"???

It really is nothing to do with culture or religion or race or wealth or poverty or oil or wars or any bleeding heart pap.

It is everything to do with the cultural, moral and intelectual vacuum at the heart of the former British society.
That vacuuum is being filled with corrosive, mind altering bile from all angles.

We need to decide who we are before we become prisoners in our own country.

I started warning peopled 10 years ago, now all I say is "told you so".

[Fiji Dave]

Originally Posted by Paulus

It really is nothing to do with culture or religion or race or wealth or poverty or oil or wars or any bleeding heart pap.

It is everything to do with the cultural, moral and intelectual vacuum at the heart of the former British society.
That vacuuum is being filled with corrosive, mind altering bile from all angles.

We need to decide who we are before we become prisoners in our own country.

I started warning peopled 10 years ago, now all I say is "told you so".

You're right, absolutely. The vacuum is being filled with corrosive mind altering bile .... EXACTLY like the crap spouted in the opening rant.

There is no moral vacuum, there are people with no morals, there always have been, there always will be, but it is not the entire british society that has no morals (unless they firmly believe in the opening crap IMVHO) There is no cultural vacuum - I've been to the theatre twice this week - whole place was packed out - culture is alive and well.

Intellectual vacuum? Well, our universities seem pretty full and I'm currently working on developing 3 dimensional multiple removal algorithms for seismic - pretty bloody intellectual - makes my head hurt.

It's not British society that is culturally, intellectually and morally devoid, just those sections of society that choose to brandish their "fcuk off if you're not exactly like me" attitude right in my face- if they took the time to look slightly beyond their tattoos[1] they'd see that the vast majority of people that they rant against are also unhappy that a few extremists shout loudly and complain, but they are too short-sighted to see anything beyond the label "muslim" and so feel it easier to hid behind their intemperate thuggish "piss off" attitude.

I know exactly who I am, I am British and I am STILL able to embrace the idea that that Britishness is the DIRECT result of the influences of many many cultures that have been incorporated into the country today.

Why are you going to become a prisoner in your own country?
Sorry, You told people what 10 years ago? Warning them about what?

You're right though, it's not about the "bleeding heart" pap (don't worry, I'm sure someone will come along shortly with "political correctness gone mad" and then we'll have the full set) - it's about the ridiculous bigotted xenophobic twaddle like the opening rant.



Right - now I really need some effing trees to hug, but I'm stuck in the office - so I'll have to make do with stroking the aspidistra



[1] some tattoos are nice - pretty flowers on a ladies lower back for example... Having a spiders web tattooed on your face isn't...

[Tunicates are Mad]

Ok, I kind of see where you guys are coming from with this - Paulus etc - and you're right, the UK has certainly been going downhilll for a while.

But Muslims and immigration are not the causes. Were any of you writing to your MPs and going on marches about the introduction of our current anti-terror laws? The ones that allow a council to spend thousands on persecuting parents whose house sold just after their child was accepted by a local school? What about hoodies? A direct response to CCTV culture. We are now the most watched nation on earth. These things are FAR more involved in shaping the culture we have today - and we are ALL guilty of not shouting loudly enough about it.

Using minorities to make the point is just disingenuous.

[wacky28]

I agree with the sentiments of the thread, we live in a country where we welcome people from other countries. The sentiments are when you visit or live in a foreign country you follow the rules of the place. ie when we visit Saudi, we are all made aware that they don't tolerate stealing & are aware of the consiqences (?).

People should fit in where ever they go, not try to create there only little version of their home country in the place where they choose to settle.

We have a lot of polish people moveing to Wales, my cousin employs a few in his factory, they are bloody hard workers, plus they will work additional hours when it is offered to them. My cousin is a buisnessman, he offers people the chance to earn a living, however lots of his indigineous work force moan like hell about the polish guys, but if the indigineous people are asked to work overtime they won't. My cousin reckons that they earn enough money to survive they are not interested in helping him keep the buisness going. If it weren't for the polish guys the factory would lose orders & maybe forced to close.

What I do disagree with is most of the polish guys are settled in Wales with there families, as they can earn a better living, however a few a here singularly, they don't spend any more money than they need to here, & send the rest back to Poland, to build large houses to either rent or sell on.

My slant is, if you choose to leave your country of origin, fit in, don't try to make it the country you left, which is the message in the opening of this thread.

[Lou]

I know what you are trying to say but.....

Originally Posted by wacky28

People should fit in where ever they go, not try to create there only little version of their home country in the place where they choose to settle.

Rather like the Little Englanders in Spain etc? English pubs, fry-ups for breakfast, buying houses in enclaves of other Brits.....

Originally Posted by wacky28

What I do disagree with is most of the polish guys are settled in Wales with there families, as they can earn a better living, however a few a here singularly, they don't spend any more money than they need to here, & send the rest back to Poland, to build large houses to either rent or sell on.

Is this any different to Brits going to work in Saudi, Dubai etc for the large wages which they send "home"?

[cazyoung]

I totally agree with wacky28 if you choose to migrate to a country then I feel you have an obligation to intigrate, learning the language is an important 1st step. I used to work in the NHS where it was not unusual (and I understand still is) to encounter immigrants who have lived in the counrty for many years and still speak not a word of english I have sadly also encountered 1 generation born here passport holders who do not speak english....is this right??? The NHS and local councils have to spend thousands of £ producing tons of literature in multiple languages in my view a waste of money probably better spent on english lessons and a waste of paper which probably does not get recycled ...........No I do not object to immigrants to UK BUT they have to be prepared to make the effort to intigrate. I work in a research facility where non british born people are the majority and the number of nationalities represented is in excess of 25 they all speak english some better than others and it is very interesting to learn about other nationalities and customs.

[nickb]

Originally Posted by wacky28

We have a lot of polish people moveing to Wales, my cousin employs a few in his factory, they are bloody hard workers, plus they will work additional hours when it is offered to them. My cousin is a buisnessman, he offers people the chance to earn a living, however lots of his indigineous work force moan like hell about the polish guys, but if the indigineous people are asked to work overtime they won't. My cousin reckons that they earn enough money to survive they are not interested in helping him keep the buisness going. If it weren't for the polish guys the factory would lose orders & maybe forced to close.

So people that don't want to work overtime are lazy shirkers? Maybe they want to spend a bit of time with their families. Maybe they want to go diving.

Here's a thought: if your cousin's such a businessman, why doesn't he employ enough people so he doesn't need to ask people to work all the hours under the sun?

Originally Posted by wacky28

What I do disagree with is most of the polish guys are settled in Wales with there families, as they can earn a better living, however a few a here singularly, they don't spend any more money than they need to here, & send the rest back to Poland, to build large houses to either rent or sell on.

Fucking scandalous! They work all those extra hours doing overtime and then spend the money just how they please: the nerve of these bloody foreigners.

[nickb]

Originally Posted by cazyoung

I totally agree with wacky28 if you choose to migrate to a country then I feel you have an obligation to intigrate learning the language is an important 1st step. I used to work in the NHS where it was not unusual (and I understand still is) to encounter immigrants who have lived in the counrty for many years and still speak not a word of english I have sadly also encountered 1 generation born here passport holders who do not speak english....is this right??? The NHS and local councils have to spend thousands of £ producing tons of literature in multiple languages in my view a waste of money probably better spent on english lessons and a waste of paper which probably does not get recycled ...........No I do not object to immigrants to UK BUT they have to be prepared to make the effort to intigrate. I work in a research facility where non british born people are the majority and the number of nationalities represented is in excess of 25 they all speak english some better than others and it is very interesting to learn about other nationalities and customs.

The irony in this rant is outstanding. Maybe if you'd spent a bit more time paying attention at school, you'd have mastered the language too.

I take it this work you do in a research facility doesn't involve any academic qualifications.

You should feel ashamed of yourself.