this was sent to me by a fellow diver and i agree with it popcorn time

[Paulus]

Originally Posted by gerbil

If the answers to the problems are so blinding obvious why are you not in the government or leading the charge down Whitehall?

[Daily Mail La La Mode]

Because
A: how could anyone with views even slightly right of centre ever possibly get a foot hold in national politics without being branded a racist??

B: We don't take it into our own hands because we still hope that the government of the day will do the job they are paid to do and not the one that the liberal gaggle direct them to do.
[/Daily Mail La La Mode]

[The complete goggler]

Originally Posted by chrisch

I'm sorry but this is not a real option. It is not something that will happen or is being discussed or wanted by more than perhaps about 5 people world-wide.

Oh well, seeing as you put it like that there's no probs then, we can pull a few lads out of the pub and go round and duff the fakiers up - sorted .

[ray]

Hmmm.

Get a troop of wild monkeys, another monkey from another troop tries to join them, they turn on it and drive it out or rip it to bits.

I'd like to think I have moved on from my monkey ancestry!.

Have YOU?.

[Richard Mason]

Oh FFS, can't we just drop this? It's been done, in various permutations about 30 times since I came on this forum. No one is going to agree and no one is going to change their minds.

[MarkP]

Originally Posted by Richard Mason

Oh FFS, can't we just drop this? It's been done, in various permutations about 30 times since I came on this forum. No one is going to agree and no one is going to change their minds.

I agree. The trouble is that if you let the OP's type of post go unchallenged then it apppears acceptable.

I truly didn't want to / wasn't going to post, but felt obliged by the tone of the posts.

Where's Bantin? I could start a ruck with him instead...

[Sparky750]

Originally Posted by MarkP

Where's Bantin? I could start a ruck with him instead...

[Richard Mason]

Originally Posted by MarkP

Where's Bantin? I could start a ruck with him instead...

Pointless exercise as I'd imagine he's probably sunning himself, sipping daquiris and getting paid outrageous amounts of money to boot, to dive in some tropical paradise, so whatever you say it isn't really going to rain on his parade.

[Paulus]

Originally Posted by ray

Hmmm.

Get a troop of wild monkeys, another monkey from another troop tries to join them, they turn on it and drive it out or rip it to bits.

I'd like to think I have moved on from my monkey ancestry!.

Have YOU?.

WE are all members of the same race - Homo sapiens sapiens. Apparently the second sapiens distiguishes us, real modern humans, from less successfull branches of our ancestory. Since evolving as a single discrete species H sapiens began an explosive expansion in population as it spread arround the world. The distinct regional features which we use to define modern "race" are only a few tens of thousands of years old. So it isn't even "race" that divides us. It is something much less physical.
Something which transcends all our ancestoral roots is tribal instinct. It is ingrained in our biological make-up by millions of years of evolution. It can be traced to a time when we were er... dogs

Tribalism is an instinct which to a degree is hard wired into our brains. Maybe we will eventually evolve to a less tribal creature, maybe we won't.
Some of the driving force behind tribalism is defence of resources and also some fear. Maybe modern society has the will and the ways to overcome this very strong instinct. Until we do we can only accept who we are and work with it the best we can.
No ammount of political fiddling and fannying will change that.

We have in reality moved on very little from our monkey ancestors. But give it time....

[gerbil]

Originally Posted by Paulus

Tribalism is an instinct which to a degree is hard wired into our brains. Maybe we will eventually evolve to a less tribal creature, maybe we won't...

nope, ill never dive with those PADI tossers.........splitters the lot of em

[Frederick Perrin]

Drop Tony Blair and his government into Iraq and let Tony Blair and co explain why 1000s of there people are dead because he told a lie to start this war, that no one wanted but that wouldnt matter to mr Blair, when did he care about what anyone else wants, he even thinks our forces have got nothing to complian about its there job to get killed and blown to bits, I would love him to go to someones house were there son or draughter, or tell little kids that there Dad or Mum wont be coming home, because of his lie,our troops have to get most things of the yanks there gear is so poor?
sorry to carry on but this has been driving me mad for a long time got alot of mates in the Army.

safe Diving everyone Fred