Stop the country - I want to get off.

[Diving Dude]

Originally Posted by Jinxy

I have said it once and I say it again, if you get some Fundamentalist spurting sh$*t about the English way of life, send them packing, first class kick in the ass out of our country!!

That's being a bit harsh to Chris.

[milldog]

Originally Posted by Jinxy

I had noticed some of you suggest a new election, can I ask a little question?

Who the hell you going to vote for?

It dose not matter who you vote for your going to get F@*K, like it or not!!

Just because the Conservatives & Lib-dems voted against it, dose not mean that don’t want it, they just love to vote against the opposition!!

I hate to say it, but things are going to get worse before they get better, the funny thing is the terrorises are getting what they want. They want a police state, but run by the Muslims Fundamentalist.

All we need to do is vote Muslims Fundamentalist in & Bobs your uncle & Fattamer is your auntie!!

I have said it once and I say it again, if you get some Fundamentalist spurting sh$*t about the English way of life, send them packing, first class kick in the ass out of our country!!

We spend to much time locking these tw@ts up, just kick them out and start tighten our boarders, hell we live a island for god sack.

Well these my 10p rant

Just curious here what makes it our country? the fact we were born here, perhaps our grandfather played his part in the war?, or the fact that it is ours by our family's birth right?

whatever the reason we pride ourselves on freedom of speech and that anyone regardless or religion and beliefs can voice there opinions without fear of persecution.

however there are a few people that would change that and whilst i don't agree fully with the 42 day law i can understand why it is there and having worked in that field it's difficult to gather evidence and stop attacks if you have them released after a few days. it will hopefully stop more accidents and over zealous reactions from the security services

Graham

[Kalahari Diver]

Graham,
It's the drip, drip, drip erosion that really worries me. I mean you talk about freedom of speech, but where is that when standing at the cenotaph and naming those killed in Iraq and Afghanistan gets you a criminal record! A lot of people don't seem to understand that tyrants and oppressive regimes don't get there in a single bound but by sneaking away freedoms a bit at a time.

David.

[milldog]

Originally Posted by Kalahari Diver

Graham,
It's the drip, drip, drip erosion that really worries me. I mean you talk about freedom of speech, but where is that when standing at the cenotaph and naming those killed in Iraq and Afghanistan gets you a criminal record! A lot of people don't seem to understand that tyrants and oppressive regimes don't get there in a single bound but by sneaking away freedoms a bit at a time.

David.

I would like to see that but if you go down the route of kicking people out where does it stop, someone does not like the Christmas holidays .............kick them out or even they don't have birthdays kick them out it's a slippery slope, the sadist thing is that although we have all these people working toward stopping terrorist attacks i DON'T have the faith or trust in the government

Graham

[BJ]

I have had a 9 month long enquiry with the Compliancy Dept. of HMRC. When I went to a meeting with the two officials I was struck by 1) their low intellect 2) their lack of knowledge regarding my business and 3) the sweeping powers they had to make quite arbitary decisions. It occurred to me that this is what it must have been like dealing with the Gestapo.

[Lazlo]

Originally Posted by Jinxy

I hate to say it, but things are going to get worse before they get better, the funny thing is the terrorises are getting what they want. They want a police state, but run by the Muslims Fundamentalist.

All we need to do is vote Muslims Fundamentalist in & Bobs your uncle & Fattamer is your auntie!!

Yes, the Twat-O-Tron is working well. Today, Have Your Say, Tomorrow THE WOOORRRRRLLLLLD!!!! Mwahahahahaha...

Originally Posted by milldog

the sadist thing is that although we have all these people working toward stopping terrorist attacks i DON'T have the faith or trust in the government

Graham

Ah, thankfully some sanity. The "trust" issue is central to the argument. This government has said that we should "trust" them to use anti-terrorism powers "wisely". It will only be used in extreme, "exceptional" circumstances. The thing is:

- It's the government that decides what constitutes "exceptional". Given that they've been saying that we're living in exceptional times without precedent, that we have never been under such a grave threat before (like WW2 and the IRA never happened), it would seem reasonable that there is NO conceivable circumstance that could not be termed exceptional.

- Laws, particularly laws which limit or remove freedoms, should NEVER be based upon trust. Even if you DO trust the government of the day, what's to prevent another government abusing those same powers?

- I've said it before, and it's still true. Laws are like weapons: there's never been one that hasn't been used, and there's never been one that hasn't been abused.

[JasonP]

Originally Posted by Lazlo

- Laws, particularly laws which limit or remove freedoms, should NEVER be based upon trust. Even if you DO trust the government of the day, what's to prevent another government abusing those same powers?

It's not even the government that we have to trust. It's the police. They get to decide which areas the anti-terrorism laws apply. And they can choose areas like London.

We now have a country where you can be arrested for walking along a public cycle path, then have your DNA taken, added to a register and never removed. And where 700+ organisations including local councils can check your mobile phone records to follow up bin misuse inquiries. And where you can be convicted and imprisoned for downloading freely available material from the US Dept of Justice website.

And all stored on databases that the civil service can't be trusted not to send thru the post, unencryped with no passwords.

And there's approximately one CCTV camera for every 14 people in this country, despite the fact that they help in approximately 3% of all crimes.

Jason

[Lazlo]

I wish I could write like this

Between the Hammer and the Anvil: From There To Here - A Guide To Self-Loathing In Three Easy Steps

[Lazlo]

I find it surreal that we are now expected to take lessons in Civil Liberty from a man who:

- voted FOR Section 28
- voted FOR 28 days
- voted FOR the death penalty
- voted FOR a reduction in the upper limit for abortion
- voted FOR ID cards (only once though 20.12.2004) Link
- supports the scrapping of Human Rights legislation

Fine principle David, shame that otherwise you're such a neanderthal though.

[Lazlo]

If not politicians, should we put our trust in the police?

Yesterday, on emerging from the bowels of the Picadilly line as is my wont at half six on a Thursday, I was dismayed to see a wall of armoured police surrounding a pair of electronic weapons-detecting barriers through which the good residents of Wood Green were being made to walk.

So I took it upon myself to engage a couple of members of Her Majesty’s Constabulary in conversation.

‘Why are the scanners up again?’

‘It’s a deterrent. You know, knife crime. You watch the news, don’t you?’

‘So what are they for?’

‘Well, to see if anyone’s carrying a knife.’

‘Is it against the law to refuse to go through, then? Say, what would happen if I just walked right round the edge?’

‘Well, you’re not exactly carrying a knife, are you?!’ Sner sner, oi lads look at the sweet little white girl in her cardie trying to be clever.

I tried a different tack. ‘So, how do these barriers tell if you’re carrying a knife rather than just, say, any old metal?’

‘They don’t. They’re quite neanderthal really. They just flash red when someone’s got metal.’

‘But hang on. The lights are flashing red for every other person. Why aren’t you stopping all those people?’

‘Well…’ indulgent little police-officer smile turns into get-rid-of-this-member-of-the-public grin ‘look, we just use our judgement - say, if someone like your good self set off the buzzers, well,’ looks me up and down ‘you’re clearly not the sort of person to be carrying a knife, are you?’

‘So what sort of people would you stop and search, then?’

‘Well, you watch the news.’

‘Of course I watch the news. What sort of people would you stop?’

‘You know, the sort of people who commit crimes. You watch the news.’

‘You haven’t answered my question.’

‘Are you a journalist?’

‘Absolutely.’

‘My colleagues and I aren’t trained for this. Bugger off and call the press office and go through those barriers while you’re about it.’

Stunned, I marched through the ancient plastic barriers, the metal buckles on my boots winking.

And the lights flashed red.

And nobody stopped me.

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