The Whole 'Reputation/Kharma' award thing.

[Rick Huggins]

Hi,

I fear that the reputation give/take option is gonna make this place much like handbag-net.

I don't mind getting negative rep, but wouldn't mind a comment to go with it.

I have recieved a couple on neg rep points for my "items for sale" post, which has no reply's from anyone and "which seals" which has a reply from two!!

What's so offensive or annoying about that, whats the score?

This aint a rant, but ffs, if someones got something to say; just say it!

ATB

[John N]

It does seem to be pretty divisive if you actually care about your 'reputation'.

Personally, I don't give a crap about it. The anonymous nature of it all is wide open to abuse from people who just want to make mischief.

Maybe you pissed them off once and they will hand out negatives on any of your posts for the forseeable future? Who knows? Who cares?

It would be a shame if people are put off saying what they think because they are bothered about how it will affect their reputation.

[MATTBIN]

Rick
I have made my comments about this reputation thing and as far as I'm concerned the anonymity of it has resulted in me posting little or nothing.
Some might say thats a good thing. Its bolloxed up YD in my opinion, its worse than Divernet and its shit. If feel I need to comment to anyone it will be via PM or mail.

That's the last comment I'll make on the subject publicly, so anyone who has put a vote on me in an anonymous way knows exactly how I feel about it, be it a plus or a minus vote.

Matt

[And]

Hi

I think it is quite useful. If there is something in a post which you would normally 'flame' (which happens) or you are about to type an angry post which you know is going to attract an equally angry post, then you can give bad rep and leave a comment why. I've done it recently and the person edited their post and that way the thread stays on track and doesn't end up degenerating into a fight.

The bad reps I've got I've looked at the post to see if I have been a bit 'clever' and then edited it if I can see an obvious problem. Sadly nobody has left a message yet to tell me why because that would be easier to correct rather than guessing.

I do care if I wind people up or offend them because its not my intention, at least not initially . I don't really care whether anyone disagrees with me or not, thats debate innit?

I think its good practice to leave your name. It has a sense of honesty.

Andy

PS All the DIR guys just keep giving good rep to each other, to see if we can beat Chasey, which is kind of fun

[Mark Chase]

[Mark]

I quite like it but I got a red block from some kind person for posting my deco theory forum request. I should have got loads of good rep for that. Oh well

Regards,

Mark.

[HelenM]

Hmm, a few thoughts on this one.

Anonymity.
I have been doling out positive reputation to the majority of people with a comment but without signing it until a couple of days ago when I changed my mind and just started putting 'H' on some of them. Reason for not signing it was that I didn't want it to look like I was soliciting reputation in return as that struck me as not entirely in the spirit of things! Reason for changing? because most other people seem to be signing it, and when they didn't I was always dead curious about who it was!!!

Negative rep.
When I have given it out (which TBH hasn't been often) there has always been a reason & I have always put a comment explaining what it is. Generally it has been pretty good humoured and light hearted - or at least intended to be taken as such. I had applied the same rules on anonymity as with positive rep, and I've never written anything that I wouldn't be prepared to say to that individual in person. As an example, I shall come sidling out of the closet here and confess to being the person who gave Mark Davies negative rep for admiring Porg's hideous avatar! My comment was something along the lines of 'don't encourage her!!!'. I think Mark has responded asking Porg to redress the balance which to me (I hope) means that he has taken it in the humourous spirit it was intended. I did threaten someone with negative rep, but found that I couldn't actually be bothered to give him it when I had the opportunity (i.e. when the system wasn't telling me that I had given out too much in that 24hrs). It just struck me as a bit handbag.net-ish

Positive rep.
I always try to give it out when someone has posted something I find interesting, thought provoking, or funny. Quite often I find myself stymied by the 'you need to spread some more rep around before you can give it to X again' rule as it is usually the same people whose posts I find entertaining. I try to remember to go back and reward it afterwards.

My reputation.
To be entirely honest, I actually don't really care much about it, provided I am not being told that I am a dreadful human being who has innumerable character flaws! That's why I've deliberately not posted on the subject before - I just don't hink it's all that important.
I try and post things that I find interesting or amusing in the hope that they will fulfil the same function for other people. I have had quite a few little red boxes for that - none of which have been signed, and some of which have had some rather snide and unpleasant little comments in. Equally, a couple of the negative reps I've had have had hilarious comments on. Yeah, if all I was getting was little red boxes, then I'd probably think twice before posting, but it isn't, so that hasn't been an issue so far. On the flip side, I have also had some really nice little green boxes with comments left (some signed, some not), and it's good to get the feedback that someone has enjoyed your post.

'Spirit of YD'
I'd like to think that people would want to use the reputation function in the traditional 'spirit of YD' - i.e. open, funny, honest and non-handbaggy. I like the idea of rewarding someone when they post something worthwhile, and I don't have a problem with being given negative rep for a reason. I just don't like the idea of people who are abusing the system to post things that they wouldn't have the bottle to put their name to on the forum. That's a bit sly for my liking. In my view, if you wouldn't be prepared to put your name to something, then you really shouldn't be saying it.

Options?
1) Well we could bin reputation altogether - but I think that'd be a shame
2) We could bin the 'negative' element of reputation and just have a general love-in. If there continue to be people upset by those who use the red boxes just to have meaningless pops at people then perhaps only allowing positive feedback is the way to go
3) Carry on as we are and just don't stress about it! In the grand scheme of things, your reputation on YD is really not something to get your harness in a twist over!
4) Admins to put together some kind of 'How we'd like to see reputation applied on YD' thing? Don't know if they can see what people are voting, but perhaps if they can and can see that one person is just giving out negative the whole time they could provide a little gentle 'counselling'.
5) Admins- is it possible to keep the reputation function going, but to show who has given it?

For what it is worth, I'd suggest that we carry on as we are, but if option five is a possibility and people keep using the system to be bitchy, then that'd probably get my vote.

I'd be fascinated to see what Tom thinks of the entire reputation thing from his position as an esteemed psychologist... I suspect that this is something of a fascinating live case study for him! I know I've been intrigued and amused watching how people have applied this new 'power'!

That's just my 2p anyway.

H (Expecting an avalanche of red boxes for this post!)

P.S. Mark - hope you did take my anti-Porg avatar vote as light-heartedly as it was intended!

[Rick Huggins]

2p H; Holy smoke

Good or bad it dosen't really bother me, but as Andy said, if your gonna dis someone, let them know why so they can ammend their post if req'd.

I just don't like the no comment spineless attitude that is becomming apparent on this board...

You've gotta ask yourself what's different between handbag & YD....Lets not loose that!

Or....maybe I just need more sleep

ATB

[torbaydiver]

Originally Posted by MATTBIN

Rick
I have made my comments about this reputation thing and as far as I'm concerned the anonymity of it has resulted in me posting little or nothing.
Some might say thats a good thing. Its bolloxed up YD in my opinion, its worse than Divernet and its shit. If feel I need to comment to anyone it will be via PM or mail.

That's the last comment I'll make on the subject publicly, so anyone who has put a vote on me in an anonymous way knows exactly how I feel about it, be it a plus or a minus vote.

Matt

I totally agree, my reputation has gone from + 20 to -7 in a mere week , none of my posts have been rude or offensive, (although I did piss off a dive shop owner recently with a badly worded post).
I think giving negative points to people just because you don't happen to agree with them is missing the point, if you don't agree with someone's post you should say so in the post and let it be open to discussion, surely that's what a forum is all about !

[Neil M]

Originally Posted by Frogman

2p H; Holy smoke

more like £2

My view is if you are going to use the rep tools, you should comment and "own"/identify the rep points......

Neil