REvo2 V Submatics

[Gaz46]

I was also at the tradeshow in March, looking at the various options/ competition to the Sub. But I am a little confused as to where WOZ was looking when he decided that the REvo2 was better than the sub???!!! At first sight it looked like the 'bandit' equivalent of rebreathers, made of big boys meccano (expensive type) and flatpacked onto a cheap, less than adequate stab. You would need to take alot of it apart to remove the lungs, the cells were in the lower scrubber section which is where the moisture will pool if theres a breach or build up of condensation. The scrubber material could easily fail due to bad compaction, vibration in transit, causing a void in the top of each section which would allow used air to pass through the scrubber at the point offering the least resistance. The BCD was not 'man' enough to lift me(16st) and DECO cylinders, and the dreaded (VAT) wasn't included in the price. I did however like the monitors on the end of each of the contents guages, good use of unavoidable dangly bits. The dill & O2 booster 'buttons' were also a matter of personal preference. I felt that the delivery mechanics could have been better , you need 3 hands to add O2 and hold each monitor or your'e constantly hands on or off each item whilst 'pumping up' the system or going through any of the drills or bailout procedures. The other factor is that it's still awaiting CE approval and by the time the EU & Mr Brown have had their 'cut' it could well end up more expencive than the sub. Dont get me wrong though, it has been tested to some serious depth and again no one has come to grief using one, it's also new and will go through the usual developmental changes and upgrades, but as it stands now, its no mathch for the Submatic. I spent about half an hour with them at the show and I wish them luck, it's definitely one to keep your eye on.

[Mark Chase]

The Revo is a very well thought out unit. It is based on the KISS constant mass flow design. The cells are well positioned and provide data for two displays and two HUD (Heads up displays). The unit benefits from manual add 02 and diluent. The frame design allows greater free movement of the counter lungs than the KISS and the scrubber design is economical compact and clever.

The scrubber allows a large surface area for gas transport so it should have a lower work of breathing than a KISS the chassis also has clever add on brackets that make mounting torches etc really easy. With a 24kg all up weight for the full on Revo its one of the lightest out there and with the scrubber design it is the slimiest by far.

The unit costs 2800 ready to dive and you can get it in Geneva. Fly out there pay 7% local tax do the course and fly home avoiding import duty VUK vat and issues with CE marks.


Personally I think its the best MCCR on the market right now for 0-80m diving. Past that the Palagen needs looking at.

ATB

Mark Chase
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[Gaz46]

Hello, thats still a whopping 9kg more than the Sub and like I said it is only my opinion as a rebreather diver. The Sub is going through upgrades as we speak and reliability and efficency is improving witheach step. I've got side mount brackets either side of mine to add larger cylinders, torch power pack, the large 3hr scrubber exceeds the REvos' ability and I'm sure the VAT over there is higher than here, plus air & fuel tax ect. The head up gear was a bit complicated but once your used to it I'm sure it preforms as expected, but it still needs work which I'm sure it will get and lets face it, it is better than the EVO/INSPO in my book so at least we agree on that point.

[Ivon]

Originally Posted by Gaz46

Hello, thats still a whopping 9kg more than the Sub and like I said it is only my opinion as a rebreather diver. The Sub is going through upgrades as we speak and reliability and efficency is improving witheach step. I've got side mount brackets either side of mine to add larger cylinders, torch power pack, the large 3hr scrubber exceeds the REvos' ability and I'm sure the VAT over there is higher than here, plus air & fuel tax ect. The head up gear was a bit complicated but once your used to it I'm sure it preforms as expected, but it still needs work which I'm sure it will get and lets face it, it is better than the EVO/INSPO in my book so at least we agree on that point.

Ahhhh, you was doing so well intill the last bit, better luck next time
If you want to do some deep diving then I'm sure you will be happy :

[Nick Kay]

You can dive it even if you've left a bung in the top of the scubber (no names...)

[Gaz46]

Yes, its fool proof even for fools, and no one can 'bung' it like Gaz. It also helps if you open the mouth piece befor you try breathing on it but thats another story. Just goes to show the true grit & determination of a real diver eh (excuse me I'm gona puke) Anyhow, we're all doing it right now I hope and now the instructors have learned something too, if you realy want to its doable. Nice to hear from you again Nick, send me a contact No please mate, need to talk to you about another matter, Cheers Gaz

[Gaz46]

Originally Posted by Ivon

Ahhhh, you was doing so well intill the last bit, better luck next time
If you want to do some deep diving then I'm sure you will be happy :

Dont get me wrong mate, I wouldnt take it down beyond 80, but if I had the money I'd have a Meg, everyone I know who has both prefers the Meg, and they're all very experienced so I have to consider their reasons why, and from my point of view and what I trust. I am however looking forwards to that new Posidon rebreather comming out, its suposedly cheeper than the Inspo and by all accounts very reliable, so if anyones looking for a cheep Inspo/evo , just wait a little while longer and there'll be even more on the web to buy, last I heard they weren't even reaching the reserve price of £2,500 which is a bit of an insult realy but maybe it was the wrong time of the year to be selling one. Apart from that I think the Sub is a great unit to learn on, gain experience and do part 1&2 trimix
on, you can build it up to your own requirements and most of all its simple to use.
You can get all the electronics if you want them, personaly i'm sticking to the standard manual version for the time being and for now I think I've got the right kit for the job in hand. Gaz

[jamesp]

I was looking at the revo at the dive show last year, talking to the guys with it, they said the issue for CE marking was that under the standard it was not possible for a constant mass flow ccr to pass!

[Garf]

Originally Posted by jamesp

I was looking at the revo at the dive show last year, talking to the guys with it, they said the issue for CE marking was that under the standard it was not possible for a constant mass flow ccr to pass!

I've heard that before. I've also heard that the CE standard requires the unit to be able to support life without user intervention, so no MCCR is going to pass. But I heard that on a dive boat from a newbie kiss diver

[Mark Chase]

Originally Posted by Gaz46

Hello, thats still a whopping 9kg more than the Sub and like I said it is only my opinion as a rebreather diver. The Sub is going through upgrades as we speak and reliability and efficency is improving witheach step. I've got side mount brackets either side of mine to add larger cylinders, torch power pack, the large 3hr scrubber exceeds the REvos' ability and I'm sure the VAT over there is higher than here, plus air & fuel tax ect. The head up gear was a bit complicated but once your used to it I'm sure it preforms as expected, but it still needs work which I'm sure it will get and lets face it, it is better than the EVO/INSPO in my book so at least we agree on that point.

The travel Revo is 15KG if you want a light weight unit. The Revo scrubber is a three hour scrubber and the VAT is 7% I can get a flight for £32.00

There is no comparison with the Evo or the Inspo units as they are totaly diferent type of device. I dived a Classic Inspo down to 105m and an over three hour run time and I dont think i would want to attempt that on a Sub

ATB

Mark Chase