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Old 18-09-03, 10:56 AM
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I am under the impression that water does not compress under pressure.

If true (not even the tiniest bit?), is it true of all fluids?

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Well, technically, it isn't true - it can be compressed eversoslightly. But for all practical purproses, it doesn't compress at all.
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Pedantically speaking, to scientists and engineers a fluid is a liquid or a gas, so the answer to your question is that fluids can be compressed.  Although there is a pedantic answer that'll pick holes in that too!!

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Finless,
er how do you reckon your hydraulic brakes work?
because for all practical purposes liquids (ok Lou?) dont compress. Come to that your compass would have a hard time at depth as it too is liquid filled.

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er how do you reckon your hydraulic brakes work?
because for all practical purposes liquids (ok Lou?) dont compress. Come to that your compass would have a hard time at depth as it too is liquid filled.

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They don't use water in h/brakes.  

Anyway, I don't care by how small an amount, water does compress under pressure.

It all makes sense now. It explains why you only want to have a pee after you start ascending during a dive.




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Nah - that's cos the water you've secreted into your bladder has Nitrogen in it, and when you ascend, it off-gasses and causes a pressure increase
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Finless you doughnut you asked about other fluids/liquids so I highlighted one other non-compressable fluid as an example.
Lets get really pedantic shall we  

Dom, is that right or you winding us up? So would a good fart get rid of it or are there other risks associated with that too?

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Quote[/b] (Finless @ Sep. 18 2003,10:56)]I am under the impression that water does not compress under pressure.

If true (not even the tiniest bit?), is it true of all fluids?

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The answer is yes, You can compress water, or almost any material. However, it requires a great deal of pressure to accomplish a little compression. For that reason, liquids and solids are sometimes referred to as being incompressible.

To understand what happens, remember that all matter is composed of a collection of atoms. Even though matter seems to be very solid, in actuality, the atoms are relative far apart, and matter is mostly empty space. However, due to the forces between the molecules, they strongly resist being pressed closer together, but they can be. You probably have experienced compressing something as hard as steel. Have you ever bounced a steel ball bearing off a sidewalk? When you do that, the 'bounce' is due to compressing the steel ball, just a tiny little spot that comes into contact with the sidewalk. It compresses and then springs back, causing the bounce.

The water at the bottom of the ocean is compressed by the weight of the water above it all the way to the surface, and is more dense than the water at the surface.

A consequence of compressing a fluid is that the viscosity, that is the resistance of the fluid to flow, also increases as the density increases. This is because the atoms are forced closer together, and thus cannot slip by each other as easily as they can when the fluid is at atmospheric pressure.

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Quote[/b] ]A consequence of compressing a fluid is that the viscosity, that is the resistance of the fluid to flow, also increases as the density increases. This is because the atoms are forced closer together, and thus cannot slip by each other as easily as they can when the fluid is at atmospheric pressure.
hasn't this been discussed once before? &nbsp;I seem to recall a discussion on here saying that early physicists believed that the density of water would increase with depth, so that ships that sank would reach a point below which they could sink no more. &nbsp;They must have imagined ships (and cannonballs?) suspended perfectly in the depths, presumably beyond which was 'solid water'?
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