I find it most odd.

[yazzyfooty]

Originally Posted by Mick F

I seem to remember for straightforward MI's (not drowning incidents), the success rate with BLS was in the low single digit percentiles. AEDs brought that up to around 40%.

Mind you, it's a couple of years since I saw this, but I don't imagine physiology has changed since!

Christmas night at my work (hospital setting) a staff member keeled over from a heart attack despite all staff present trained in first aid and in the use of AED they were unable to save him. Tis a shame he wasnt one of the 40%.

[purple vonny]

Originally Posted by Diving Dude

Depends if they had bigger t*ts than you

I think mine might be marginally smaller. However, I am a nurse, understand a bit about baratrauma and DCI and can use a radio and a phone.

Originally Posted by Adrian Kelland

Mark,

As I don't think you are significantly different from the majority of divers when it comes to those who can give first aid and assistance, I'd pick the one who would additionally make the call.

Every time.

Adrian

You'd be safe with me!

Mark, I know you are experienced and have a lot of knowledge, but some of the posts on here smack of willy waving and bravado. I've kept stum 'til now. I understand what you are saying about computer variations, conservative plans and the odd missed minutes.

However, in MY humble and short lived diving career, I have known blokes lie about their profiles and stops and they actually turned out to be bent after swearing they couldn't possibly be. The calls were made (on 2 occasions) after the divers in question were "reported" by their buddies as having made fast ascents. Their buddies were worried even though the divers were not.

There are no hard and fast rules.

[Fiona]

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

I did the 02 admin and CPR curse because I was aware of the fact I hadn't actually had a go at it for the last 28 years I am pleased to report nothing has changed much in that time.

ATB

Mark

Interesting, because I am sure there has been at least 3 changes in practice since I was first taught CPR/ BLS in the mid 90's, I took O2 admin in 95 and then again about 3 years ago.

Originally Posted by purple vonny

Mark, I know you are experienced and have a lot of knowledge, but some of the posts on here smack of willy waving and bravado. I've kept stum 'til now

And I thought it was only me who was thinking this.

There also seems to be some over sensitive moderation going on, that's 2 posts deleted in as many weeks.

[Adrian Kelland]

Originally Posted by Fiona

Interesting, because I am sure there has been at least 3 changes in practice since I was first taught CPR/ BLS in the mid 90's, I took O2 admin in 95 and then again about 3 years ago.

Aye, rescue breaths, rates and pulse checking have changed over the last few years alone.

[Steve S]

Originally Posted by Fiona

There also seems to be some over sensitive moderation going on, that's 2 posts deleted in as many weeks.

If you mean the one's I deleted one was deemed a personal matter [by more than myself] and the other one because it was telling ladies how they should be happy that men ejaculate on their faces, I'm sure the boards are better off without either, but I have been wrong before.

Safe diving,
Steve

[Mark Chase]

Originally Posted by Adrian Kelland

Aye, rescue breaths, rates and pulse checking have changed over the last few years alone.

Sorry i didn't consider the changes particularly earth shattering

Most important thing I learned was don't elevate the feet. We always used to elevate the feet and doing rescue breaths through a plastic mask is very hard.


ATB

Mark

[Fiona]

actually I have decided to remove the quote because frankly I found what you wrote offensive - still you are the MOD you must be right.

[Mark Chase]

[quote]

Originally Posted by purple vonny

Mark, I know you are experienced and have a lot of knowledge, but some of the posts on here smack of willy waving and bravado. I've kept stum 'til now. I understand what you are saying about computer variations, conservative plans and the odd missed minutes.

Its a bit dificult to win an argumnet about the size of your willy without actualy getting it out and showing it.

I cant put my point across without outlining my experiance. So its a lose lose situation.

Fortunatly I dont mind sticking my head above the parapit. What other people think of it is not a problem for me.

However, in MY humble and short lived diving career, I have known blokes lie about their profiles and stops and they actually turned out to be bent after swearing they couldn't possibly be. The calls were made (on 2 occasions) after the divers in question were "reported" by their buddies as having made fast ascents. Their buddies were worried even though the divers were not.

There are no hard and fast rules.

Q1: were they bent or potted as a precaution.

Q2: How did they decide they were bent in the end? Did they use the same tests id use? Yes i think they probably did.

I have no plans or desire to push for this to be compulsory. I wouldn't expect other people to take on things I am willing to take on. Its in my nature to take risks and its in my personality that those risks are as educated as I can manage.

The question was asked of all divers and why wouldn't you call it in and I answered for me. Just me. It was not an attempt to convert you or anyone else it dosent bother me if someone else decids he /she needs to go to the pot for missing 2mins of stops. It was a statement of fact about me and i think a lot of people are missing that point.




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Mark

[purple vonny]

Fair enough. I was just making it a balanced debate rather than a monologue.

[Janos]

My own experience with CPR is one attempt (RTA) and one death. So it goes.

However I know that the poor sod (he was only 16, GCSE result letters were in the car) had the best possible care - I did everything by the book. Strangely the thing that affected me the most was that I felt guilty for not feeing bad. I thought that I should feel bad but actually felt okay that evening. There was something comforting about knowing that I'd done everything anyone could have done without specialist equipment.

However, don't be fooled by CPR statistics. Most CPR is done on pensioners with knackered hearts who have had previous heart problems. The success rate is much better. And if you're in any doubt, read Helen's account of how she saved someone's life using these techniques.

That's a cast-iron account of how someone saved a divers life using basic CPR techniques. It can work.

Janos