I find it most odd.

[dry suit diver]

Originally Posted by AM1

My deepest apologies. With a fine athletic physique like that, you should be a DIR diver!

PS, then you'll have to ditch those two strokes!!

strangely enough at wrayburyb his puddle dud brother said it only takes two strokes for him now.

[BJ]

May I remind you that neither Albert Buhlmann nor Bruce Wienke actually use(d) their theories on themselves.

[Mark Chase]

Originally Posted by Janos

M8.

Sadly experience and expertise in one field doesn't translate into expertise in another. You may be the best engine designer in the world but that doesn't mean you're a good driver. I do understand VPM (I've worked through the maths) but that doesn't mean I'm confident in my abilities to diagnose a bend (I'm not).

In some ways we're lucky in that there are very few 'shouts' and even fewer serious bends. However, when we're talking about my legs or my life, I like to err on the side of caution, so even if there's a 1 in 1000 chance I might be wrong, I prefer to err on the side of caution.

YMMV.

Janos

Errrr m8 your an Oxford grad who works for a govt think tank. Spare a thought for the rest of us


If you want to call it in and get the chopper coz you cut deco by 15mins I have zero problem with that just please don't do it for me.


In 1985 I was qualified as a prototype engineer working on subcomponents for British aerospace. Sadly CNC came along and the bottom fell out of the market for Toolmakers so I studded to become a remedial building surveyor

by 1994 I was one of only six consultants in the UK doing expert witness work in the field of building defects

In between I studded and became a BAGA assistant gymnastics coach just for fun

I did all my study for the above my self. IE I was totaly self taught when I sat the exams. I passed with a Distinction


So whilst judges rate me at performing gravimetric sampling and salts analysis and parents entrusted me with the lives of their daughtrs flying through the air, based on my self teaching, apparently others consider it unthinkable I could self teach to carry out triage on a DCI victim?

I find that most odd


ATB

Mark

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Fiona

actually I have decided to remove the quote because frankly I found what you wrote offensive - still you are the MOD you must be right.

Right - message missed in translation. The 'female related' post Steve referred to was not posted by you Fiona - that wasn't what Steve meant (he meant he had deleted 2 posts recently, one of which was yours) although I can see why it could be read a different way.

The post that was deleted was a result of a complaint from another member who felt it was a personal dig at him. We weigh these up on an individual basis and in this case I felt it added no value to the thread and could have caused offence to the person it was directed at. Sorry if you feel differently but thats a decision we have to take.

There have been no other posts of yours removed - I have gone through the logs this morning (which can't be accessed by anyone but me).

[Mark Chase]

Originally Posted by Janos

PS - The various chambers do offer a proper hyperbaric medicine course. It normally takes between three and five days.

Janos

Vast subject then. It took seven years to become a consultant surveyour so its probably beyound me.


ATB

Mark

[Janos]

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

Vast subject then. It took seven years to become a consultant surveyour so its probably beyound me.

No, you're missing my point - I meant to say that the training is there for those who want it.

I wonder if they could do an extra day or so that focused on the different neuro-tests in more detail.

Janos

[Mark Chase]

[quote]

Originally Posted by Bantam

IMHO, if you suspect a bend, you should speak to the people who know about it (Diving Doctors who are trained in Hyperbaric Medicine) and even they will freely admit they know sod all. It's better to be safe than sorry or dead.

I totaly agree, feel free to ask me anything you like

Bravado is one thing, denial another, but death an alltogether bigger issue.

I just hope that one day someone doesn't come along who doesn't know any better, reads the 'how to dive my way' posts and ends up dead because they followed some methodology that didn't work for them.

I am not responsible for the Darwin awards and neither is any one else.

There are other self taught divers out their. The big joke of course is AM taught herself to dive CCR and raved and screamed about how she was better at diving a CCR than any one else. She even raved that what training there was was actually inadequate and we deserved better.

At the time i thought she was a self obsessed ego maniac but now i have read her stuff met the girl and serveral years have past. The predictions of her imminent death were wrong whilst carded divers and instructors alike died around her, then I stated (like many other people) to think she just might have a point.

So if some Muppet decides to self teach ECCR based on the model of AM and they kill them selves, your saying thats AM's fault?

No sorry i don't agree.

Strangely the divers I know who self taught CCR are actually rather good at it.

A card doesn't make you competent, you make you competent.

ATB

Mark

[Janos]

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

So whilst judges rate me at performing gravimetric sampling and salts analysis and parents entrusted me with the lives of their daughtrs flying through the air, based on my self teaching, apparently others consider it unthinkable I could self teach to carry out triage on a DCI victim?

I have no doubt that you could self-teach. However, I genuinely don't know how much work is involved: How many cases you'd have to observe, what you'd have to read, and how you'd stay current.

I don't have the confidence in my own abilities to spot the subtle stuff, and certainly when Mark Emery had his rapid ascent, no-one was tickling his feet!

I would like the CG informed if I missed 15 minutes of stops, but I also believe that adults are adults, and I have no problem with an informed adult telling me before the dive that if he misses 15 minutes of stops and appears asymptomatic.

Janos

[divingniknaks]

Originally Posted by Mark Chase

Errrr m8 your an Oxford grad who works for a govt think tank.

No he doesn't, he spends his time playing on here

.

[BJ]

[quote=Mark Chase;897011]

Strangely the divers I know who self taught CCR are actually rather good at it.

A card doesn't make you competent, you make you competent.

ATB

Mark

Spot on.

Some of the self-taught CCR divers I know or have known:

Hans Hass, Peter Readey (he taught me but then what do I know?!!), Rob Palmer (died on open circuit), Dave Thompson, Martin Parker, Bill Stone, Stuart Clough. My card is a manufacturer's certification because there were no training courses then.

Start your own agency, write your own course. Job done!

Mike Bus is BSAC National Instructor No1. Who certified him?