Help with a PC Extension!!!!

[Gram43]

Anyone out there able to help me with this:-

The missus and I run a small business from home and have recently bought 2 new PC's (networked with Cat5 patch leads and a mini server), as we utilise a database, which we have also just had designed and installed.

I recently found out that broadband was eventually available in our little village and am in the process of setting up our spare fax line to broadband with our present email/web provider. We have our own telephone switch system which is not able to handle broadband, hence using the spare fax line.

We have a study/bedroom upstairs with another PC which I want to run broadband through and our internet service provider very kindly sent me a 4 port router to use for our broadband, as part of the package.

I need to now run an extension from upstairs to our office downstairs and have managed to get enough cable, 2 x cat5 double sockets and some patch leads to do the job. So, having now cabled the whole thing up, I need to know which wires to terminate inside the sockets.

I've run and wired a number of telephone sockets previously and actually have a termination tool for the job. I would want one port in the socket to run broadband and the other to use for networking to the server.

So, any help is appreciated. Incidentlly, I did think of going the wireless way, but decided against it, as everything else is hard wired.

Cheers all.

[Mal Bridgeman]

http://www.lanshack.com/make-cat5E.asp

Use the B Diagram

The way you have worded your requirement does not sound "right" The Router should have a connection for broadband on it then you connect the server and PC to the rj45 sockets on the "other" side via the CAT 5 cables. The internet is then available to both machines....if you configure the operating system correctly then each machine will be visible and available to the other.

HTH

Mal

[Bogwoppit]

Granm

To be honest your best bet is Wireless. The standard id 54 MB now and you can get 104 MB 802.X (G) ? You have no wiring issues no attenuation issues. You won't need to drll holes in your house. Just because 1/3 your house is wired doesn't really effect things and I can guarantee you'll be up and running in no time.

I use a Belkin router which allows 8 cat 5 connectors and a further 256 wireless connections. It's a firewall and its 100MB to boot. Cost me all of 100 quid I think. Easy to setup and install and maintain.

Cabling is soo like Yesterday Man!

Crap sorry just reread what you'd written and you've already wired up.. Ignore me and I'll go away quietly..

[GaryC]

Originally Posted by Gram43

Anyone out there able to help me with this:-
The missus and I run a small business from home and have recently bought 2 new PC's (networked with Cat5 patch leads and a mini server), as we utilise a database, which we have also just had designed and installed.


I need to now run an extension from upstairs to our office downstairs and have managed to get enough cable, 2 x cat5 double sockets and some patch leads to do the job. So, having now cabled the whole thing up, I need to know which wires to terminate inside the sockets.

Cheers all.

1 white/orange
2 orange
3 white/Green
4 Blue
5 White/Blue
6 Green
7 White/Brown
8 Brown

I think the insertion tool for Cat5 is different for phones.
Not sure if that is what you want.

On phone socket 2 and 3 are line 5 is ringing.

[Gram43]

Hi again.
Ref: Mal's reply, we have a small ethernet switch where our 2 new machines are connected to (usually call these a hub I think, although I could be wrong). We were looking at a dedicated server machine, but costs and requirements outweighed the idea, so the computer company we used to supply the machines set up the small network (me the server and wifey the slave - as it should be)!!! The switch has an extra 3 ports to connect to other machines.

Sorry if it wasn't worded correctly before.


Bogwoppit - thanks anyway.

GaryC - just what I wanted.

However, before I make a proper plonka of myself, thinking that I've done a grand job and thinking I have all the right bits, which way should this extension and set up be done??

Currently, all machines use dial up and access line 4 (we have 5 lines currently and only one can use the internet at a time).

The router I was sent can plug straight into the telephone socket using a splitter which was also provided. However, as I have this router and the computers will connect into the ethernet switch, where will they all need to connect from/to?

[AirHog]

Originally Posted by Gram43

Hi again.
Ref: Mal's reply, we have a small ethernet switch where our 2 new machines are connected to (usually call these a hub I think, although I could be wrong). We were looking at a dedicated server machine, but costs and requirements outweighed the idea, so the computer company we used to supply the machines set up the small network (me the server and wifey the slave - as it should be)!!! The switch has an extra 3 ports to connect to other machines.

Sorry if it wasn't worded correctly before.


Bogwoppit - thanks anyway.

GaryC - just what I wanted.

However, before I make a proper plonka of myself, thinking that I've done a grand job and thinking I have all the right bits, which way should this extension and set up be done??

Currently, all machines use dial up and access line 4 (we have 5 lines currently and only one can use the internet at a time).

The router I was sent can plug straight into the telephone socket using a splitter which was also provided. However, as I have this router and the computers will connect into the ethernet switch, where will they all need to connect from/to?

I presume the extension you are talking about is to the CAT5 and not the telehpone line. If this is the case, plug the splitter into the fax line and then plug the broadband router and the fax into this.

The new network extension socket should be plugged into the hub/switch using a standard cat5 cable and the computer should then be plugged into the other end, again using a standard cat5 cable.

The ethernet port (or one of them) on the broadband router should be connected to the switch/hub via a cross-over cable (or use a straight cat5 if the hub/switch or router have a MID-X port).

If you use static IP addressing on your PCs then the broadband router will need to have an address within this range on it's internal interface and the PCs will need to have this address set as their gateway. If you are happy to use DHCP on the PCs then let the router allocate addresses (as most have a DHCP server built in nowadays) as this will pass the PCs all the correct information (ip address, mask and most importantly gateway address).

You should then be able to browse the Internet providing you have set your username and password on the broadband router and it connects ok.

Regards

MArk

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Just re-read your original post. As you only have 3 machines you could plug them all straight into the 4-port switch on the back of the broadband router.
Also, keep the untwisted ends of the cable as short as possible or you ~may~ get errors when running at 100mbit/sec. I think the cat5 standard says something like max 1/8 inch untwisted to stay within spec. while a little more than this is ok I have seen problems where people have untwised 2 inches or so to make it easier to punch down. the opther alternative is to run all the mahcines at 10mbit/sec so no problems as you can probably just use bellwire for the connections at this speed . It will depend on the amount of data you want to shift between machines.
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[Keith L]

Originally Posted by Gram43

The router I was sent can plug straight into the telephone socket using a splitter which was also provided. However, as I have this router and the computers will connect into the ethernet switch, where will they all need to connect from/to?

As others have said - I'd go wireless :-)

But to answer your question... most switches have what is known as an 'uplink' facility, on modern switches it is automatic, on older switches/hubs it may be on only one port and there may be a liitle button or toggle switch to set.

The 'uplink' facility means that your switch acts like a 4 gang extention plug socket but for networks, you just plug one live network connection in, it then splits it over the rest of the ports on the switch.

So, all you need to do is take one CAT5 cable from your router to your switch into the switches uplink cabability, anything else that you plug in (i.e. your two PC's) will then share automatically that single connection back to the router.

You really should get somebody who has a clue to set it all up for you, if you've been using a peer-to-peer then I can virtually guarantee that your IP settings will be wrong when you do connect to the router and it simply "wont work". Somebody who knows how these things work will save you a lot of grief!

HTH

Keith L

[Gram43]

Thanks all, this gives me lot's to think about when I eventually get the e-mail that our broadband is live.

You've all been a great help.