Another very good reason for getting rid of Vista

[steveharriss]

BBC NEWS | Technology | Microsoft warns on Vista update
It really is a terrible pile of c***p.

[String]

So a tiny number of programs (by 3rd parties) that were written ignoring the SDKs and standards conventions don't work with updates.

Hardly Vistas fault and the list really is tiny.

for 99.9999999% of users the update (which isnt mandatory anyway) will have no negative effects at all.

[gerbil]

true, but it doesnt alter the fact that vista is a waste of space

[macstinator]

Well, we had better get used to it. MS is due to dump XP soon enough and focus totally on Vista.

This situation is no different than that faced by XP a few years back relative to Windows '00/NT.

Anyhoo, it is still more compatible with a wider range of products than the 'ever so fashionable' Mac, even if its Unix based OS is pretty solid.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by macstinator

Well, we had better get used to it. MS is due to dump XP soon enough and focus totally on Vista.

This situation is no different than that faced by XP a few years back relative to Windows '00/NT.

Anyhoo, it is still more compatible with a wider range of products than the 'ever so fashionable' Mac, even if its Unix based OS is pretty solid.

Ubuntu anyone ???

I am a troll,, foll de roll

[wreckweasel]

Originally Posted by macstinator

Well, we had better get used to it. MS is due to dump XP soon enough and focus totally on Vista.

This situation is no different than that faced by XP a few years back relative to Windows '00/NT.

...and a suprising ammount of corporates are still running 2000/NT, because they dont like the obscene level of bloatware

[macstinator]

Used Vista the other day for the first time and spent all day setting up a wireless network - somehting i have done may times on my XP set up. It was a living hell!

Haven't used Linux so i cant comment.

Yup, my office VPN has only just hit XP and the IT chap at work wont touch Vista for mission critical stuff yet!

[MattS]

Originally Posted by macstinator

Well, we had better get used to it. MS is due to dump XP soon enough and focus totally on Vista.

This situation is no different than that faced by XP a few years back relative to Windows '00/NT.

It is very different IMVHO. The moves to Win9x, WinNT, WinXp all had very clear business cases. Even so many some business are still using NT and 2000 because the migration cost/benefit does not add up for them. By the time you factor in user training, lost productivity from the learning curve, reskilling support staff; the cost of Hardware and the O/S is pretty trivial for most business users.

Personally I find the combination of XP Pro and Office XP (2002) about the best bang for buck for the vast majority of users. There ain't much that it can not do reliably and it is easier to deploy and support remotely.

I am finding it extremely difficult to find a compelling reason why any business would want to switch to Vista. A tiny number of users will benefit from 64 bit but most of the applications they use are already available on other platforms without the Vista baggage.

Anyhoo, it is still more compatible with a wider range of products than the 'ever so fashionable' Mac, even if its Unix based OS is pretty solid.

The number of apps/hardware/whatever that Vista is incompatible with is not so important as the density of those apps.

The Mac is not so straightforward to support in larger networks. For home users it offers most of what Windows offers but without the Windows headaches. You do not need to be a geek to get what you want out of a Mac. People are starting to realise this is worth the price premium and hence the number of Macs being sold is increasing pretty rapidly.

Linux is a completely different kettle of fish. It offers far too much choice. Ideal for niche applications operated by people with intimate knowledge, but bloody awful for the unwashed majority.

Just my 2p

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by MattS

Linux is a completely different kettle of fish. It offers far too much choice.

And that's a problem ??

Surprising how many people are giving Ubuntu a shot and getting along with it...
Here's one example of open source just doing the job..if your interested...

iTWire - Open source, the Access slayer
iTWire - Open source software and the future of the world

[nigelH]

<shrug>
I have two machines under my desk wired into a monitor/keyboard/mouse switch.

Vista and Linux.

The Vista is slower, admittedly it is serving a web-site and running the SMTP/POP servers, but it has more of the gadgets I need to do the things I want to do so it tends to get used more.

I confess I did turn off the "are you really, really sure" security system and I kill the 'search' service while I'm working. There is still something else wants a thrash at my disk now and again but I'll get it too soon.

I have Vista on the laptop.