Inverted twins and side-slungs...

[Reeve]

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Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (kinetic @ Feb. 28 2004,21:00)]Gareth,

What size are your side slings..and what does left and right do...as in your gas?

Sorry to be a pest...but if you clip the side mounts of your D ring on your twins where do you clip the neck off...waist D ring?

You'd have to clip your reels off on the backplate??? But if you have 2 sidies...reaching reels is not easy...you have 2 reels and by touch/feel you know which is which?

I'm not critising in anyway...please don't take it that way...I really would like to know how you config your gear.

Cheers.

Graham

No by all means please ask, as we've discussed I'm as new to this as you and it's always good to bounce ideas as I seem to be continously modifying my gear. I only use one bottle a 7L 80% mix slung to the right. Front clips off on lower right D-ring, left D-Ring is used for secondary reel (wreck reel). Primary (attached to orange DSMB) is clipped to upper right D-ring and streamlined. However it may well be a better bet to clip it off on tank as well. Secondary DSMB &amp; 1/2 mask in left pocket. Line cutter and secondary torch in right pocket.

I do have a 10L set up for a weak mix, but not used it as my diving has no need for this, but it came with some gear I bought. My kit was largely based upon the set up equipment of a trimix teckie I bought it off (he'd quit).

Gareth

[Mdemon]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]If I ended up on a boat with someone diving inverted kit I'd pretend to get my coat and slip off the other side and do a solo...

Is it really DIR to invert...I don't know, I'm not DIR and if it is DIR...then you can...

That's not very friendly! &nbsp;

Nope, it's definitely NOT DIR to invert. &nbsp;The Navy do it though. &nbsp;And the RE. &nbsp;Oh, and the fire brigade (2Tanks is a little quiet at this point for some reason). &nbsp;So there is a precedent and I'd rather copy them than any other group.

I'm fairly certain I'll be inverting since I can't reach the valves easily, so you can dive with Doug. &nbsp;I'm not fussed, but would have a problem with someone who couldn't do a shut-down and then needed all my gas to get them home, invert or normal. &nbsp; Gas being expensive and all that...

[kinetic]

OK...I see you're passionate but honestly...still can't see it...

The fire brigade do it because the run about a bit...divers don't run about a bit...

Still find the idea of inverts a ridiculous concept that someone made up because there was only one other way to carry the cylinders on your back.....

It's upto you...just ask yourself why???

Graham

[Mdemon]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]Still find the idea of inverts a ridiculous concept that someone made up because there was only one other way to carry the cylinders on your back.....

It's upto you...just ask yourself why???

It's not a fashion-statement, genius, it's a safety issue.  If I manifold and can't do shutdowns then I need some way of doing it.  It's called &quot;inverting&quot;.  That's why.  Until then, I'll stick with twin independents &quot;the right way up&quot;.

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]Bouyancy problems, ankle weights, zeagle wing, console, retracting lanyard thing for your wing dump, no drysuit experience.

I'm sure &quot;PADI Rescue Diver and some BSAC&quot; goes a long way where you come from, but where I come from, Royal Navy and the Engineers - and the firemen who &quot;run around a bit&quot; - are a tad higher up the diving/BA food chain.  Feel free to wander up to any representatives of the three and tell them you think they're ridiculous...  

[Digger]

<font color='#000080'>OK, back to the original, as you guys are all getting a bit up-tight. I tried te inverts with stages this weekend (using 7l allys) and it works fine. I clip the stage to my chest ring and then a D-ring on the side of my wing (or you could use a hip D-ring) and all you do is put your arm on top of the stage, and as you reach back for the valve the stage moves forward allowing you to do anything you could do without stages on.

All this bit about inverts being a bad idea so far is unfounded for me. I can't see why not. The only problem I can see is compatibility with other people's sets, as demonstrated at the weekend trying to use someone else's twins, but all you really need to do is have an adjustable valve guard and you're sorted. Mine unfortunately has been welded to make it stronger, and will fit my tanks and others at very similar spacings.

All you need to do is look at the inspiration. There's a system where you have to be able to reach your valves, and manipulate them easily. So where are these valves? Right behind your arse, where it' easy.

For anyone that's having major problems with shutdowns (I have recently as I messed my shoulder up at the end of last year) go inverted, and see if it helps. As Brett put it this weekend: &quot;I didn't know whether it was worth asking you to do the drill to be honest, but I felt I should.&quot; It's that easy.

[Andy the Coastie]

<font color='#0000FF'>I've all been INVERTED &nbsp;and it's the only way to dive in my mind, especially , when you have little back and arms , so easy to get to valves.

Andy

[MATTBIN]

Doug
you should have asked for them to put some brains in as well mate.

Inverts are the correct way, you know that.
The cylinders only went valve up cos the original dv was on the tank and it made for long floodable hoses if valve down, so because of a design limitation they went valve up in the old days and nobody has ever questioned it until the (we) enlightened group put them on correctly.

See the anaesthetic hasnt dulled your fingers.
Rgds
Matt

[Doug Parker]

Matt.
They didn't have enough time and i don't think you can sterilise a shovel, the tool they'd need to fill such a hole.

You've got &quot;enlightened&quot; and &quot;disabled&quot; muddled up, if ever i get to the position of not being able to wipe my own arse, i'll probably not be diving, so i'll take up a hobby that i can do, like knitting or jigsaws rather than put my cylinders on upside down.

I think the anaesthetic made me a nicer person. &nbsp;

[Dr Stevil]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Andy the Commie 2 @ Mar. 02 2004,10:25)]I've all been INVERTED  and it's the only way to dive in my mind, especially , when you have little back and arms , so easy to get to valves.

Andy

I think Hobby (another commie diver for those who weren't here when Hobby was) would agree too, as we had a long talk about inverts etc way back on the Angelsey 1 gig.

So.... in the invert corner we've got: RN, RE, FB, Commie divers and I think also the police divers (Hobby has an ex-cop rig, 2x7s), seems like good enough company for my liking, plus respected tekkie instructors like Andy Hayhurst and Leigh Cunningham don't seem to have any objections to inverts either.
Chee-az
Steve

[MATTBIN]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ], if ever i get to the position of not being able to wipe my own arse

I still can, thats why I can get to my valves &nbsp;
keeps em away from some instructor who thinks it would be a laugh to turn em off, less he/she wants a grope of my bum too.

Matt