DSAT Tec Deep, TDI or IANTD

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by yellowduke

I really don't believe that is the case at all. He quite happily teaches TDI on a regular basis as I expect other dive dive schools will do as well. Any Course Directors around to comment?

Jim

You can teach courses that are different to PADI/DSAT's offering but not competing courses.

Ian

[jradomski]

Here is my opinion based on someof my experiences with DSAT people.

First let me say I Do not Teach or am authorized to teach a DSAT class.. When the materials and procedures became available I chose not to adopt the program in any way and did not apply for the rating.. I can teach through Trimix with TDI and can teach ALL levels of divers, instructors and ITs with ANDI

It seems there are 2 standards, one for instructors one for CD.. I have seen instructors that had to work for the rating and a few CDs that got IT status withouhout any real experience..

I know one case in particular, that a Deep TEC CD, who NEVER did a REAL mandatory deco dive.. His training dives were all simulated.. He did some ANDI Tech training (after he already was an IT for a tech diver rating) with me and a few others, His skills were not bad, but they were definately that of a novice tech diver, not an IT..

There is no way this person could have effectively trained another diver to be a tech instructor..

I don't think numbers of dives the person has done recreationally is important, its more of how well the diver handles the additional task loading and equipment.. When I teach a class the diver enters the program knowing one of several things will happen depending on their competency, not the number of dives they have logged...
a) get certified
b) asked to leave program for now and continue training at a later date, once they are ready
c) not get certified and require addtional training..

For instructors its harder... Its all performance based, as ou climb the ladder it gets harder and harder to attain..

I can think of several ITTs for other agencies that were only given limited xovers based on their in water evaluations by current ITs..

[Okeanos]

Originally Posted by dreammermaid

I used to know Mark from Thailand. I think he has a school in sharm.
http://www.inspired-training.com/

Mark's still around, I see him occaisionally. He' never mentioned a school in Sharm, but he is definately experienced below 100m.

[dreammermaid]

here's the url
http://www.inspired-training.com/dahaborcadiveclub.htm
I guess it is an authorized training centre. I am not affilliated with nor have any recommendations about this dive shop. I just know that if I ever met a 'deep freak' Mark is it. Very safe and thorough with lots of enthusiasm.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dreammermaid

"Very safe"

Have you read his book?

Ian

[chrisch]

Kathy,

The journey from PADI RD at 40m to a technical diver capable of doing 100m dives is a very long one. Even in the warm clear waters off sharm it is a very very long way down. I would have thought it would take about 4 years of dedication to achieve your goal.

No-one here has mentioned that depth for its own sake is an idiotic goal. However, I am sure that is not what you meant is it?

Whenever an inter-agency debate starts it quickly goes off the point as we all have our own ideas and preferences, usually based on who we trained with (IANTD in my case). I have recently completed my EFR renewal with a guy (PADI Instructor) who has done the DSAT tec course (in Sharm) and from what he has told me it is a good course if done properly. It is not, however, a 100m ticket.

DSAT Deep is a 50m ticket and an air ticket. As such I would think you are better advised to look at IANTD advanced nitrox or TDI advanced trox with deco proceedures. There is another one; ITDA but I don't know if they are in Eire.

This will take you into the twin tank and decompression diving and you need to get lots of experience at that point. Probably about 50-100 dives at that level and then do a trimix course to take you to 60m. From there you will be able to make your own mind up and know what it is you want to do and with whom.

I am not saying do not do the DSAT Deep Tec if the opportunity presents itself, simply that you need to look beyond this in order to progress further. Check if the next qualification (trimix) requires a different entry route to DSAT.

The GUE route will take you down the DIR path. I suggest you take a DIR-F to see if this is to your liking if you have any aspirations in that area. The course is worth doing for its own sake and will correct many of the bad habits that all us PADI trained folk have

I wish you the very best with the training, but remember take it easy. One final point think about who you will dive with - it can be hard to find buddies at this level so check what you want to do long term. It may be that rebreather is the way forward beyond the Advanced Nitrox for you (lighter and better from a gas point of view) 100m open circuit needs a lot of gas, a lot of tanks...

Chris

[Okeanos]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Have you read his book?

Ian

Yes, it's a great read, of one of the sports pioneers. I was going to be one of his support divers for his 313m dive, but I had to leave after the date was put back.

I would class Mark as safe, he know where the limits are, he's been past them.

[Lazlo]

Just to clear up a little confusion here - DSAT Deep is 50m max, but includes use of multiple tanks/stages with mixes up to 100% O2. Accelerated deco is a major part of the course.

The "Air" part is for the deepest section - hence the 50m maximum depth. Trimix is certainly not covered.

The DSAT path is Tec Deep followed by Tec Trimix.

[chrisch]

Ian As best I understand it DSAT tec Tx is a max of 75m ???

As such it would leave the OP in need of further training, for example IANTD Expedition Trimix. It might be a good idea therefore to start down that path early on?

Anyway thats a few years away yet

Chris

[Lazlo]

Originally Posted by chrisch

Ian As best I understand it DSAT tec Tx is a max of 75m ???

As such it would leave the OP in need of further training, for example IANTD Expedition Trimix. It might be a good idea therefore to start down that path early on?

Anyway thats a few years away yet

Chris

Think it's "only" 70m.

Does anybody "qualify" you to 100m?

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Ooh - looks like ANDI do. Anyone else?