Apeks Hose Routing

[Woz]

EN whatever it is is clockwise to close, anti-clockwise to open. As is every other tap and standard in the known world.

Having some left handed and some right handed is possibly the silliest thing I have read on here for a long time. Congratulations.

[TerryH]

Originally Posted by Mal Bridgeman

Well if it was not immediately obvious I was being everso slightly facetious but, being serious this time, assuming the manufacturers went along with your thinking .....how would you implement such a design? If you ever hired or borrowed a set of doubles you would have to specify which type you wanted etc etc.... I can't see it working .... and since there is no real problem to solve I can't see why anyone would bother.

Mal

Well TBH Mal there is no problem implementing such a design and I'm sure
that given the nod from over the pond there would be teams getting the
spanners out even as we speak.

But in a way you've hit the nail on the head.

There is no real problem to solve.

Most of us dont do caves. We also dont bang into things that switch off the
valve or break it to the point we wouldnt be able to use the other post.
So why then should we follow sheep like, a system that has its rightful place
in a cave?

Awnser we shouldnt.

The best routing will ALWAYS be the most direct without bends, kinks etc.
Anything to faciliatate that is in my book A1.

So while I can fully understand why its done, I dont subscribe to the rational
that because of this it's optimum. Way i look at it, its far more likely
that a hose will rupture because its kinked, then you will ever get into the
banged valve scenario.

.

[TerryH]

Originally Posted by Woz

EN whatever it is is clockwise to close, anti-clockwise to open. As is every other tap and standard in the known world.

Having some left handed and some right handed is possibly the silliest thing I have read on here for a long time. Congratulations.

Hope your wheel hub doesnt come off then

Just for you Woz Lefthand TAPS DIES Metric taps and dies sets left hand BSW BSF Tap & Die UNC UNF sets Taps Dies left-hand

BTW I'll find the EN for left-handers in a mo for you

[RichW]

Originally Posted by TerryH

Well TBH Mal there is no problem implementing such a design and I'm sure
that given the nod from over the pond there would be teams getting the
spanners out even as we speak.

Oh, the men in black.

Originally Posted by TerryH

But in a way you've hit the nail on the head.

There is no real problem to solve.

That's what we've been saying.

Originally Posted by TerryH

Most of us dont do caves. We also dont bang into things that switch off the
valve or break it to the point we wouldnt be able to use the other post.
So why then should we follow sheep like, a system that has its rightful place
in a cave?

Because some of us dive in both open water and cave. Should I have 2 different types of manifold? I sometimes go inside wrecks. Should I carry andother twin set that I swap to when I enter the wreck?

Originally Posted by TerryH

Awnser we shouldnt.

Yes, we've been saying that. Glad you agree.

Originally Posted by TerryH

The best routing will ALWAYS be the most direct without bends, kinks etc.
Anything to faciliatate that is in my book A1.

So while I can fully understand why its done, I dont subscribe to the rational
that because of this it's optimum. Way i look at it, its far more likely
that a hose will rupture because its kinked, then you will ever get into the
banged valve scenario.

.

What on earth has anticlockwise valve operation got to do with hose routing?

Rich

[Woz]

Originally Posted by TerryH

Hope your wheel hub doesnt come off then

Just for you Woz Lefthand TAPS DIES Metric taps and dies sets left hand BSW BSF Tap & Die UNC UNF sets Taps Dies left-hand

BTW I'll find the EN for left-handers in a mo for you

No no no no no you can cut left handed threads no problem- gas threads are often left handed and handwheel stems are too- we cut loads like that.

But you still turn the handle clockwise to close and anti-clockwise to open. It's the law. And if you produce a valve that goes the other way you need kicking in the nuts. Hard.

It's as sensible as producing an automatic car with the brake on the right and throttle on the left just cos you wear big shoes.

[Adrian Kelland]

Originally Posted by Woz

No no no no no you can cut left handed threads no problem- gas threads are often left handed and handwheel stems are too- we cut loads like that.

But you still turn the handle clockwise to close and anti-clockwise to open. It's the law. And if you produce a valve that goes the other way you need kicking in the nuts. Hard.

It's as sensible as producing an automatic car with the brake on the right and throttle on the left just cos you wear big shoes.

Someone ought to tell the water companies, they've been using both for years. Neither would I bet on them only ordering clockwise close now.

[TerryH]

Originally Posted by RichW

Because some of us dive in both open water and cave. Should I have 2 different types of manifold? I sometimes go inside wrecks. Should I carry andother twin set that I swap to when I enter the wreck?

If you can bash your valve in a cave, you can do the same on a lump
of steel , so it would be the same manifold for both.

Originally Posted by RichW

What on earth has anticlockwise valve operation got to do with hose routing?

Try re-reading the thread.

The excuse for bad hose routings is damaging valves. That's sorted by
having both valves stay on if bashed, hence left post idea of being
left-handed, so its bashed on, not off.



Hose goes over back of neck. Angled away from where it's meant to be going.



Hose is straight onto corrogated.

[RichW]

Well, if you tilt the 1st stages like that you will kink the hoses. So don't tilt the 1st stages.

The wing inflator is never the one to get kinked. It is always the backup reg.

I maintain that a shoddy hose routing does not warrant redefining the way manifolds work. That is very silly, like Woz says.

What about the problems with implementing this "new fangled manifold" then"? How would that work?

Rich

[TerryH]

Originally Posted by RichW

Well, if you tilt the 1st stages like that you will kink the hoses. So don't tilt the 1st stages.

The wing inflator is never the one to get kinked. It is always the backup reg.

I maintain that a shoddy hose routing does not warrant redefining the way manifolds work. That is very silly, like Woz says.

What about the problems with implementing this "new fangled manifold" then"? How would that work?

Rich

Well it isnt my rig, my hoses arent kinked , I got it from here

DIR-diver.com - Reg configuration doubles

Second pic looks even worse and yes the backup reg in this is just as bad.

You are right shoddy hose routings dont warrant redefining manifolds.
But that's the whole point of this thread, if you havnt already guessed

[milldog]

Here you go use MK25's lurverly ................





Graham