Attaching a strobe to the shot line

[deepbull]

sounds like deco could be fun ;}

do you boys use the yellow bag system? {drop cylinders}

have you ever dived the tag system?

just what are you used to?

ada

[Steve Jones]

Originally Posted by colinicky

It is a fair question Steve & TBH I am on the dive with John & am similar position as John ,have dived these depths before, have reeled off from the shot but have no idea of using a deco station
So any tips ?

Only advice I can give is to be sure what your team protocol is. I tend to follow the same protocol as Ada (deepbull), teams will vary.

Typical scenario is.

Longest run times in first.

First pair in put their tags on the lazy (which is still on the boat) they drop down and tie in the main shot and send up an indicator to say it is tied onto the wreck.

Second pair in have already clipped tags onto the lazy and then take this in with them and tie it in using a double prussik loop at approx 26 metres.

Each additional pair clip their tags onto the loop at the end of the lazy, i.e 26 metres.

Put your strobe on the line, not at the very bottom as you won't see it properly when returning 8-1o metres up is best.

Everyone goes off and has a good dive.

You all get back to the shot...nothing else is acceptable.

Remove your tags as you reach the lazy...and come up the lazy, not the main shot.

Last pair come up and there should be no tags left (unless someone did not get back to the shot) They detach the lazy and ascend.

The top of the lazy gets quite crowded so once it is disconnected, not before, then feel free to bag off and drift with the lazy.

Of course the problem occurs when the pair who thought they were supposed to be last ascend, and there are still tags, generally this means that someone is still on the wreck, or someone didn't get back to the shot. So in this case they cannot disconnect. But as some predetermined time this line MUST be cut free. (Try staying on a deco station which is still attached..it is not fun I assure you)

Those people that didn't get back to the shot are one their own.

Now this is meant to be a general guide, every team will have slightly different protocols, so check.

All the best

Steve

[colinicky]

Originally Posted by deepbull

sounds like deco could be fun ;}

do you boys use the yellow bag system? {drop cylinders}

have you ever dived the tag system?

just what are you used to?

ada

Yes to yellow bag

Only in the sense of everybody puts a strobe on & takes it of on return therefore if there is 2 strobes left you're not the last one !

Anything upto 70m but more normally 40- 55 from Dover with upto 90 minutes of deco ,BUT the skipper doesn't use a deco station at dover as he doesn't want you getting run over by Seafrance ferries So it's hang on the shot like a flag

Should have made it clear I am not buddying with John ,just on the same dive

[deepbull]

Originally Posted by colinicky

Yes to yellow bag

Only in the sense of everybody puts a strobe on & takes it of on return therefore if there is 2 strobes left you're not the last one !

Anything upto 70m but more normally 40- 55 from Dover with upto 90 minutes of deco ,BUT the skipper doesn't use a deco station at dover as he doesn't want you getting run over by Seafrance ferries So it's hang on the shot like a flag

well whats up this should be easy as long as you go up the correct line after the tag's ;}
if you are the one that cuts the station remember to hang on to the correct line
well if you hold on to the wrong line looks like you are used to doing the flag thing ;}
depending on viz i may leave my strobe on the shot to make it easier for someone behind me!

just remember tag on as you go down and tag off when you come up its easy really ;}

hope this helps

ada

[deepbull]

Originally Posted by Steve Jones

You all get back to the shot...nothing else is acceptable.


Steve

well its not always possible ;}
if you cant or dont get back and you have to free ascend then if the skipper sees a bag {dsmb} he could throw in a thunder flash letting everyone know the is someone not going to make it back to the shot

ada

[Steve Jones]

Originally Posted by colinicky

Yes to yellow bag

Only in the sense of everybody puts a strobe on & takes it of on return therefore if there is 2 strobes left you're not the last one !

As I said..protocol differences, we use our tags on the lazy.

BUT the skipper doesn't use a deco station at dover as he doesn't want you getting run over by Seafrance ferries So it's hang on the shot like a flag

Bollocks to that for deco of 2 hours. That is asking for a bend.

Steve

[Steve Jones]

Originally Posted by deepbull

well its not always possible ;}

Agreed ...shit happens...but if it happens too often then that person becomes a liabilty.

if you cant or dont get back and you have to free ascend then if the skipper sees a bag {dsmb} he could throw in a thunder flash letting everyone know the is someone not going to make it back to the shot

All back to using good skippers, and having a good team protocol.

Steve

[deepbull]

so just what will we be using!

this could help everyone as we all dive and do deco different ways

is it a lazy shot?
or
deco station if so at what depth would the bar/bars be at?

what depth for the line split {tags}

will the be any cylinders on the station ?
if so with what in them?
and on them ? reg with whips?

i always take 2 drop cylinders with me any way {for me!!!} if i need them
on my rope and then if i send up a yellow bag i know what depth they will be at ;} {if they come down to me }

and are we all on ccr?
except WWD trip as i know he is on OC well at the moment anyway ;}

ada

[deepbull]

ok just found this by mark an the ice prince thread

The rules are not debatable.

Once dates are announced and assuming you confirm your spot, Ill take non refundable deposits. You book you pay, or its up to you to fill the spot.

Divers booking solo must be prepared to dive solo or should agree dive buddies before the gig.

It will be a return to deco station lazy shot dive with no exceptions.

Station detach point will be at 23m ish.

Longest run times in first.

First in, ties in the shot.

Second in drags down the station and clips it on the shot.

We all put markers on the station disconnect loop

Each team / diver marks the bottom of the shot with a strobe

Last pair / diver out collects last strobe and cuts the waster.

At the station disconnect last teem / diver collects last clip and disconnects the station.

You can bag off and drift with the station but you must keep the station in sight and you must tell us you intend to do this before the dive.

Any one not returning to the station will be on their own. The Skipper will be under instruction to stay with the station.

The station is a single deco bar at apx 6-7m

[FOX]

I use a rubber snorkel keeper for nights dives, not sure if it'd work for a deco station, but I can't see why not:




Also, if anyone's interested, there's a couple of these Jotron strobes on ebay at the moment (not me).