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| Tek-Talk: Discuss In-Water Recompression in the Technical and Specialist Diving Forums forums: This thread has its roots in the thread on the recent fatality at the Farnes. Although all agencies seem to ... |
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| TDI teach that if there is really, really no option, i.e. you are 24hrs away from the nearest chamber then if you have all the right equippment and safety divers then it is acceptable as a very, very last resort. However, it is NEVER an option in the UK. There is always a better alternative. We are blessed with an amazing coastguard/SAR service and a good selection of recompression facilities within easy reach of most places in the UK. I'm not sure about Sweden or other European countries but in the UK at least it is not a recommended option.
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| Just forget it in the northern hemisphere, thermal management becomes a major issue very rapidly. Its not a minor undertaking, regardless of where you are, in water use of high PO2's predisposes to a higher risk of toxicity, which mandates use of full face supplies and the ability to switch the in water diver off of High O2. If you look at the sort of runs you need to pull to effectively recompress someone, you really do need to a lot of pre-planning etc. Frankly, I wouldnt consider it except in the most dire of circumstances....
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| There's actually a very interesting article on Mark Ellyatt's website regarding In Water Recompression. http://www.users.totalise.co.uk/~dee...nwaterreco.htm By posting this link I'm not advocating IWR in anyway, but faced with some of the circumstances in the case studies, I think that I'd opt for IWR too. We're exceptionally lucky that in the UK there really shouldn't ever be the need. Cheers Rich
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| Very interesting link. As I said the problems involved in carrying out IWR are daunting and there is probaly no need ever to do so anywhere in Europe but, judging by Pyles' article, it does seem to have saved many more lives than it has reaped. We have a man here in Gothenburg who developed DCI while on a liveaboard in Sudanese waters about 15 years ago. There was a diving medicine specialist in the group, who refused to let the man's friends take him back under water. The supply of oxygen ran out after a few hours and it took several days to get him to a chamber. He is partially disabled today. There is still a lot of controversy about whether the doctor was right, not only among his companions but also among medical experts. Some say he would probably have died if IWR had been attempted, others that if a couple of his mates had been allowed to take him back down to 10 meters for an hour or so he might well have been spared his permanent injuries, even though it would have meant air IWR with an ordinary regulator. Who knows who is right!
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| [quote=Mark Powell]However, it is NEVER an option in the UK. There is always a better alternative. We are blessed with an amazing coastguard/SAR service and a good selection of recompression facilities within easy reach of most places in the UK. QUOTE] Mark Thank you for that - a very well put comment. Helped me work through in my mind what the options are and more importantly what they are not.... Thanks Simon
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| I think that Richard Bull also wrote an article for 990 mag. |
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| With due respect unless the circumstances are exceptional, ie as John stated, that you are more than 24 hours travel from the nearest chamber, forget it. Especially in UK waters A. The water temperatures have to be taken into account. B. How many dive boats go out equiped with the sort of gear stated in the US Diving manual. Staurt |
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But as I had mentioned in my earlier post, we're extremely lucky in the UK with the excellent services provided. Cheers Rich
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| When is a missed stop a recompresion? Its important to point out the difference between in water recompression and missed stops. A diver who has a rapid or uncontrolled ascent and breaks surface has two choices. Get on the boat and await the chopper. Or go back down and do the stops. This is not in water recompression in the true sense. Technical divers in the UK very commonly adopt this practice and I have done it twice. The systems for repeating the stops are detailed in the back of the TDI manual. These are based on the US Navy Omitted Decompression Procedure. 1: you must descend within 5mins of surfacing and repeat all stops below a depth of 40' (12m) 2: Return to 40' and stay there for 1/4 of your 10' (3m) stop time 3: Ascend to 30' (9m) and stay there for 1/3 of your 3m-stop time 4: Ascend to 6m and stay there for 1/2 the 3m stop time 5: Ascend to 3m and stay there for 1 1/2 your 3m stop time This system is designed for symptom free divers having missed stops. I used it once after a rapid ascent from a 30m dive missing about 20mins deco and once after a 65m dive where the deco station was towed up to the surface by the dive boat. On the second one I broke surface with 35mins of deco left to do. I got lucky both times and didn’t suffer ay DCI symptoms during or after the dives. This all comes down to personal choice. Repeating your deco by default means you will be solo. You probably lost your buddy on the way up and your unlikely to find him on the way back down ATB Mark Chase
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