HiD Vs LED - Where are we today?

[Woz]

I did think that when I posted..... we could always throw a bar of soap on the floor for "you to pick up, lover boy"....

[warmwaterdiver]

so a simple question;

is the SU-1250 equivilent to the 21w Salvo, more or less light, or the same but different?

[GLOC]

Originally Posted by warmwaterdiver

so a simple question;

is the SU-1250 equivilent to the 21w Salvo, more or less light, or the same but different?

Depends on your definition of equivalent it appears.

If you mean there is the same amount of 'light' under the curve, then yes. If you mean does the HID and the LED penetrate the water to the same distance and provide the same signalling capabilities, then no.

Apples and Oranges...

[Woz]

Originally Posted by warmwaterdiver

so a simple question;

is the SU-1250 equivilent to the 21w Salvo, more or less light, or the same but different?

It's simple. Both of them are like waving a huge penis around in the showers. The Salvo is longer but the Solus has a bigger helmet. Both impressive in their own way, and both good at doing different things- the Salvo is better at penetrating but the Solus is better off filling a broader cave.

Clear, now?

[warmwaterdiver]

Originally Posted by Woz

the Salvo is better at penetrating but the Solus is better off filling a broader cave

I thought Clare said deeply penetrating was better

[stevechesh]

Originally Posted by warmwaterdiver

I thought Clare said deeply penetrating was better

[KevinJ]

Originally Posted by Woz

the Salvo is better at penetrating but the Solus is better off filling a broader cave.

Wow ! Such insight. Attention Grabbing as well.
Are you one of those new fangled "Marketing Executives" Woz ?

[Salvo]

Kevin,
Lets throw out the pictures and the readings I got from the light meter. Lets look at the bulb manufacturers ratings of the bulbs. You make these claims...
SU-500 with 500 lumens is the same as a 21 Watt HID with 1500 lumens.
SU-1250 with 1250 lumens is the same as a 35 Watt HID with 3000 lumens.
SU-2500 with 2500 lumens is the same as a 50 Watt HID with 5000 lumens.

I simply do not understand how you support that!
Now if you said...
SU-500 is similar to a 10 Watt HID(500 lumens)
SU-1250 is similar to a 21 Watt HID(1500 lumens)
SU-2500 is similar to a 35 Watt HID(3000 lumens)

Then these statements would have a good argument. Don't you agree?

Barry

Originally Posted by KevinJ

In response to Mark Chase. We'd be happy to have you do a review as your other review was fair and impartial. At this point we don't have a spare demo light available for review, but I'll contact you when one becomes available.

In response to Barry Millar.
Why did we chose the 10Watt HID vs SU-1250 image ?
You posted it Barry...
It was selected because it was the ideal image to demonstrate the flaws in your testing. You had stated that the SU-1250 was producing less than a quarter of the light of the 10Watt HID. Our analysis clearly demonstrated that the SU-1250 actually produced at least 3 times the light output of a 10 Watt HID. It was also meant to demonstrate the correct scientific methodology of carrying out a power ditribution test.
Why dont we do the same analysis on the other images ? Because we simply don't have the spare time or inclination to carry out analysis on images that were taken in an "uncontrolled" environment.

Others have already satisfactorily answered your questions about the decrease in light output as the ambient temperature increases. I suggest you read thier posts.

The claims we (SSP) make regarding the light output of our products are correct and based on real data. We publish the beam angles in and out of water, and give an accurate description of the beam profile in the specifications of each product.
The SOLUS SU-1250 has a beam angle of 11 degrees in air, 7.5 degrees in saltwater.

It has already been established (beaten to death) that the Salvo is the better choice for signalling. However where a diver prefers to illuminate a larger area well, the SOLUS is a better choice. I don't understand your concern as your products wouldn't have been suitable for these divers anyway.

I've already spent too much time on this. If anyone has a specific technical question regarding SOLUS products then I am happy to help, otherwise I would prefer to let this go.

Regards,

Kevin

[Garf]

Originally Posted by KevinJ

Wow ! Such insight. Attention Grabbing as well.
Are you one of those new fangled "Marketing Executives" Woz ?

if you mean he's endlessly talking shit that makes no sense to anyone else, then yes, he is

[KevinJ]

Originally Posted by warmwaterdiver

so a simple question;

is the SU-1250 equivilent to the 21w Salvo, more or less light, or the same but different?

In terms of total light output the SU-1250 produces aproximately the same amount of light as a 35 Watt HID lamp.
As the two lights have completely different beam profiles, it's not simply a case of making a direct comparison. You have to chose the type of beam that suits your diving. If you're GUE/DIR then buy Halcyon or Salvo - easy.