A few questions.

[Kate]

I’m a little concerned about two things that are being done or about to be done by the club I am doing my DMI with.

Firstly. Is an Open Water diver allowed to go down to 30m with an instructor if it has nothing to do with their AOW?

Secondly. Are Seals (Young divers) allowed to dive in the open water? By that I mean shore dives? Or do they have to stay confined to pools?

Thank you!

[finbar.taylor]

Originally Posted by Kate

I’m a little concerned about two things that are being done or about to be done by the club I am doing my DMI with.

Firstly. Is an Open Water diver allowed to go down to 30m with an instructor if it has nothing to do with their AOW?

Secondly. Are Seals (Young divers) allowed to dive in the open water? By that I mean shore dives? Or do they have to stay confined to pools?

Thank you!

An OW diver if filled out correct paper work should be able to undertake a 30m dive. Can't back this up but I would be happy with it.

Seals can conduct CW dives. CW is any environment that has swiming pool like conditions. this can actually be in the sea if it is a safe and controled environment. An example of this is Porthkerris beach where on a good day is used for confined water training.

Fin

(NOTE This is just my interpretation)

[Eee]

Kate,

According to the PADI instructor manual, Seal team members can only undertake aqua missions in a Swimming Pool Only. Its seems pretty specific about thsi as its nicely highlughted.


OW 18m is only a recommendation after they are qualified. If They are taken down below 18m then as long as they have signed the paperwork and are made aware of it then its ok.


Cheers

Ee

[Kate]

Is slightly worrying considering they are arranging a ‘family day’ at Swanage, saying the children can dive in the sea with the adults!!!!

I don’t know what the relevant paperwork is that needs to be signed. Do you know what it is called?!

Originally Posted by Eee

Kate,

According to the PADI instructor manual, Seal team members can only undertake aqua missions in a Swimming Pool Only. Its seems pretty specific about thsi as its nicely highlughted.


OW 18m is only a recommendation after they are qualified. If They are taken down below 18m then as long as they have signed the paperwork and are made aware of it then its ok.


Cheers

Ee

[Dive In Paphos]

Hi Kate,

To be specific regarding OW divers. A qualified Open water diver can dive up to 30 mts if accompanied by a teaching Status Instructor, PROVIDED they are doing what PADI class as an adventure dive and have completed all the relevant paperwork.

Seal Team is definetly swimming pool only NOT confined open water.

HTH

Jonno

[SoB]

As an instructor I would not take a OW diver below 18m. Any instructor so doing would, almost irrespective of any forms signed put themselves in an untenable position and would, to my mind, be acting very irresponsibly.

..my two penneth.

[Kate]

Originally Posted by SoB

As an instructor I would not take a OW diver below 18m. Any instructor so doing would, almost irrespective of any forms signed put themselves in an untenable position and would, to my mind, be acting very irresponsibly.

..my two penneth.

As you know, I am doing my DMI and even at this stage of my training I wouldn’t feel confident! Also, when I was OW, I wouldn’t want to jeopardise anything by going outside my limitations!

[Eee]

Kate,

As SoB has said, taking an OW diver past 18m is very irresponsible. On OW courses I try and hammer it in to OW Stoodies that they wanna keep above 18m until they are AOW qualified.....

I have to admit I don't like the idea of OW divers going in that depth, and Seal Team members doing Aqua missions in the Sea....

[steelemonkey]

When taking AOW, a deep dive is required.
This entails taking an OW student deeper than 18 mtrs.
I presume that those instructors, who have stated that they would not do this, take extra precations in this case. Just as a point of interest, what do you do?

[Richie]

Originally Posted by Eee

Kate,

As SoB has said, taking an OW diver past 18m is very irresponsible. On OW courses I try and hammer it in to OW Stoodies that they wanna keep above 18m until they are AOW qualified.....

I have to admit I don't like the idea of OW divers going in that depth, and Seal Team members doing Aqua missions in the Sea....

Is this just a legal liability issue?
I get very irritated/confused - whichever by the application of the artificial 18m limit and the word "allowed".
Recommended limit perhaps; with some good reason - depends on the individual and the training received but surely an OW qualified person should be encouraged to explore rather than waiting to be spoon fed an "Advanced" course.
Diving is not a sightseeing exercise and by breeding the nanny approach does not bode well for the future of the trainee nor does it reflect well on the training organisation.

Kids are different matter and should be attached to ropes and towed behind boats to encourage great whites

This is a product of total boredom - priez m'excuser.