Dive skills and inconsequential drivel

[Mark Chase]

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Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]why not use minimum time spent underwater rather than number of dives

Top class idea.

I beleive that the CCR boys already use this system specifieing a set amount of hours on the unit fro a given depth. I think it's 100 hours on the unit or somting equaly daunting before you can run it at trimix depths with Helium in the dilutant.

Perhaps Rob will clarifie that as I am not exactly sure.

Sounds a very sensable aproach to me.

Dammed irritating for the type of diver who changes to CCR thow I would imagine.

ATB

Mark Chase

[Diving Dude]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (RobK @ June 02 2003,13:11)]My only argument is that the best way to determine capability is through actually seeing what people can do.

Hi Rob

Or maybe judge them by their weight?

[andy2tanx]

heres a really radical idea. &nbsp;get the instructor to ascertain the persons level of quals/experience BEFORE taking their money and getting them on a course. &nbsp;then tailor a course suitable for that person. &nbsp;and teach them the bits that they need to learn, not the bits a book says they should know. &nbsp;crazy idea eh?

[steve-k]

right my 2ps worth

(will only comment on bsac and padi)

you can go from padi ow to dm or from bsac cd to dl in well under a year if you wanted to

in my experiance (6 years and 100s of diving associats)

padi divers who do there open water course generally do further courses to gain more experiances, and to actually go diving, most padi schools (especially in my area) just provide courses, therefore mr Jo Blogs who has just walked in off the street who has no diving buddies, knows of little options to expand his diving experiances, and mr padi school is unlikley to tell him of local diving clubs feering loosing him to the oposition
from this faternaty you will allways get highley certificated low experianced divers

bsac clubs &nbsp;hmmm these cant be generalised as the time to achieve certificates through bsac clubs vary tremendously, most clubs in my area will take at least 2-3 years to get a trainee to dl, thus there is more chance of the indevidual to gain experiance on real diving inbetween courses, and due to the nature of the club the trainee is exposed to more diving opertunaties,

hazle (from our club) is a bsac sd training to be a dl has done over 85 dives, the majority in the sea and on real dives, infact she did a 45m dive on sunday out of angelsey

was doing my padi rescue diver course with 2 other divers, 1 had done only 20 dives and all in uk quaries the other had done a few more but only had done 4 uk quarie dives, the rest where done in the red sea, on finishing the dive the first was booking his dm
on doing my dm i was asked to take out (and look after) a newbi instructure, as he had attained all his qualifications in a verry short space of time, and needed help with his basic skills




now i do not want to change this thread into a padi bsac debate, as both have verry good poins, and both have pitfalls

but the club structure of bsac has a lot of experianced divers for the trainee diver to absorbe knowladge from


the badge collecting, is a boys with toys thing, look at my badges lol
i have allways been disapointed in my courses, as i have normally been doing the diving well befour i do the course

i would not not jump in and do a 40m dive with someone who had a certificate to say he could do it,
but i would get in with someone who had done regular diving to that depth

[Dr Stevil]

<font color='#0000FF'>Just a bit of an aside; in my previous (bsac) club (which had a fair few alt. agency x-overs) &nbsp;it didn't necessarily matter if someone had a particular ticket, there was a NAUI diver with not-quite DL equivalent quals, who used to DL trainees because had more than enough experience and demonstrated ability to do this.

On the other had there were a couple of Padi DMs who you would tend not to put trainees with because they'd &quot;fast-tracked&quot;, but they knew that and agreed theirselves they didn't want extremely inexperienced divers with them.

Additionally, recently qualified DLs would buddy with more experienced trainees whereas the longer-term DLs (who were invariably Instructors) &nbsp;would take the raw beginners.

A &quot;ticket&quot; of any type, whether a diving cert or a driving licence or something professional/academic, is merely an indication of what you might expect to find but not a guarantee of anything much really. Which is why wherever you go it's not unfair if someone in a position of responsibility wants to do a checkout dive with you (within reasonable boundaries).

For instance, I've yet to dive with the guys in my new BSAC club, but even though I've got a pretty decent level of bsac quals (OWI/DL) I know that the first dive I do with them , whoever my buddy is (they're nearly all AD/AIs), will be checking out my capabilities as I've only got a theory and a rescue assessement before becoming AD.

Whether we realise it or not, we're all assessing one another's abilities every time we're out on a diving gig, and it's these judgements which will make us decide if we do/don't want to dive with that diver in future, not the pieces of paper that diver has

Chee-az
Steve

[steve-k]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]Whether we realise it or not, we're all assessing one another's abilities every time we're out on a diving gig, and it's these judgements which will make us decide if we do/don't want to dive with that diver in future, not the pieces of paper that diver has

Chee-az
Steve

big breasts can make up for an lot

[Dr Stevil]

<font color='#0000FF'>Errrr....Not a lot one can say after that...

[RobK]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (diving dude @ June 02 2003,18:18)]

Hi Rob

Or maybe judge them by their weight?

LOL,

Now that's actually not a bad idea

Night be able to persuade a few people to take the PANSSI diet speciality  

[markg]

<font color='#000F22'>i think some of these qualifications are a load of b*ll*cks.
i've dived with a some branch instructors who i would never dive with again they are downright bloody dangerous,one nearly got his b***s ripped off for snatching a reg out of a females trainees mouth(thought her hubby was going to kill him,but there's always the next time )
i've a mate who's a trainee who i quite happily bumble off down to 40 odd metres with. his navigation is interesting(understatement of the year ),but apart from that he is a far more able diver than some branch instructors

[malcolm smith]

Hi Mark, was the reg snatching part of an exersize in an out of air situation?
If so, she has had some excellent instruction-------this is what generally happens in the real deal

All the best, Malcolm.