Dive skills and inconsequential drivel

[markg]

<font color='#000F22'>hi malcolm i'm ssac too. funny how our training never seems to get slagged off on here

now i'll sit back and wait for the flaming to begin

[Dr Stevil]

<font color='#0000FF'>Dunno about the training (which I understand is similar to BSAC), but Peter K has a few things to say about the latest SSAC depth limits etc

[Shiney]

Hi WL

All training is beneficial, I wish I came accross more people who did not ridicule qualifications.

They say &quot;them as can does and them as can`t teach&quot; - wrong

Its only them as can, who are allowed to teach

In my day though you had to demonstrate to the DO that you had completed the requisite number of dives since the last qualification and they were varied, ie not all in a pit somewhere.

I think its great that you want to learn and maybe put something back into the sport.

Regarding BSAC qualifications not allowing you dive in certain parts of the world, I have not found that yet and certainly in the Northern hemisphere BSAC is more than welcome

Good on`ya mate you keep it up

Shiney

[Mark Chase]

<font color='#000F22'>BSAC qualification and restricted diving was a thread on handbag.net last year. I think the chap went to dive in Austraila and after presenting his BSAC card was told sorry CMAS and PADI only you will have to do a pool sesion before we let you dive. The chap was a BSAC instructor.

Folowing on from this was a whole host of comment on where you could and couldent dive on a BSAC card. Sorry I cant remember them but I think there were a few surprises such as Northan France??

My Advanced Nitrox instructor also told me it was very hard to work as a dive instructor or dive guide in Egypt with out PADI or CMAS qualification.

I tried a serch on HB.net but there are so many BSAC threads I gave up.

Mark Chase

[And]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Shiney @ June 04 2003,17:35)]In my day though you had to demonstrate to the DO that you had completed the requisite number of dives since the last qualification and they were varied, ie not all in a pit somewhere.

<font color='#0000FF'>Hi

That rule still applies in our club and makes perfect sense to me.

And right glad am I to welcome you to the board Shiney, especially as you're another East Yorkshireman.

Kindest Regards

WL

[markg]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Steve W @ June 04 2003,16:03)]Dunno about the training (which I understand is similar to BSAC), but Peter K has a few things to say about the latest SSAC depth limits etc

<font color='#000F22'>i've got a few things to say about the depth limits too but i'm too much of a gent to say them on here

[peter k]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Steve W @ June 04 2003,16:03)]Dunno about the training (which I understand is similar to BSAC), but Peter K has a few things to say about the latest SSAC depth limits etc

The limits were always there, though most folk ignored them to a certain degree. Then the guv'nors clamped down. I'm not saying that divers that had only just qualified were throwing themselves down to 50mtrs, but what happened was experienced sportsdivers that had been used to diving 30 - 50mtrs were suddenly told that on no accounts could they go below 30 unless they are with a master diver instuctor. It does seem reasonable on paper, but a lot of folk were left saying &quot;FFS, I've been diving to 40 for X years and suddenly I'm not allowed beneath 30&quot;.
&nbsp;Most of the wrecks in the Clyde and most of the scenics in Loch Fyne are 30mtr +. &nbsp;This will just lead to people badge chasing there M/D award so they can go to 40. It's happening already. I know of a few who went straight to M/D training without getting out there and diving first. I, being the sensible bloke I am, always said I'll do 100 dives before I start on my M/D as there was no great rush. As it turned out it was more like 150. I suppose it's back to the arguement on the other thread about putting a time limit or a number of dives limit before you even start the open water training. By all means do the lectures and sit the test to edumicate yourself, but have a limit on the O/W stuff.
&nbsp;ScotSAC has brought out a deep diving endorsment(DDE)
http://www.scotsac.com/training/deep_diving.htm
which is loosely based on the TDI Deco Procedures and this lets you to 50. So you could end up in a scenario where a sportsdiver can be at 40mtrs, his buddy has problems and the guy with the DDE has never done his deep rescue or deep OOA procedures(be it buddy breathing or Occy ascent),all of which are done as part of M/D &nbsp;training.
&nbsp;Just as everyone was beginning to figure all of this out, they are now trying to do this Level I, II, III, IV, and V diver bit.
http://www.scotsac.com/training/proposed_changes.htm
Christ I've not even done bits in level II. Does this mean I'm a trainee again?
&nbsp;I'm not slagging ScotSAC as they are great to train under, it's just that sometimes it's a bit difficult to keep up with the changes to this, that and the next thing. I never had any problems getting an instructor and the training was thorough, though sometimes it differed from instructor to instructor what was required. You just had to figure out what was needed on the day and do it his/her way.
&nbsp;And to top it all off, I'm sitting here filling out my incident report form. &nbsp;

Peter

[markg]

<font color='#000F22'>

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (peter k @ June 04 2003,20:27)]The limits were always there, though most folk ignored them to a certain degree.

still do

[Dr Stevil]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (peter k @ June 04 2003,20:27)] And to top it all off, I'm sitting here filling out my incident report form.  

Peter

<font color='#0000FF'>What? in respect of what happened a few months ago? C'mon, get your finger out laddie &nbsp;

What's your current status ? You still waiting for the green light from the doctors?

What about you Jay, is your &quot;suspension&quot; over?

Chee-az
steve

[Fiona]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Mark Chase @ June 04 2003,18:00)]My Advanced Nitrox instructor also told me it was very hard to work as a dive instructor or dive guide in Egypt with out PADI or CMAS qualification.

Mark Chase

<font color='#0000FF'>Mark I don't think it is that easy to work as an instructor anywhere without PADI /CMAS qualification.

The reason I did my DM was because I guy I know wanted to go to Belize and work with Operation Raleigh, he was a BSAC Advanced Instructor and they didn't accept that either so he had to do the PADI DM course - a bit ridiculous when you consider a DM can have as little as 50 dives and he had done hundreds.