DIR(F) Or Rescue Diver

[nickjb]

Originally Posted by Timing

This maybe a daft question but how much rescue training is in the GUE courses?

Not much. I can't recall any on mine.

For rescue training the RD course is pretty good.

[And]

Hi

None in DIRF. Loads of OOA drills though.

In Tech 1 we rescue a toxing diver and an unconcious diver. Controlled buoyant lifts and also out of an overhead. Its a different technique than BSAC, from behind (oo'er)

Thats why I think it is worth having some basic rescue skills first. BSAC, as you know, incorporate some rescues into training, but even then you still need to supplement this with First Aid and Oxygen administration IMO.

Andy

[Tim Ingmire]

I surprised at this given the emphasis on team and the buddy. Can you really have a team of Tech-1 divers that can get an unconcious diver to the surface but would be clueless once they get him there. You say is also true for BSAC but you do learn AV as a SD and O2 admin as part of the DL course. This isn't a BSAC is better thing at all so please don't read it that way. I'm just surprised that GUE put so much (IMO excellent) emphasis on getting a diver to the surface (with any kind of issue) but then don't give you the skills to do anything about it thereafter. I guess you must have some arrangement as part of the team dive plan which resolves this?

[tom]

This might be a good bit of information to have in a DIR FAQ - it's the second time it's come up in about a week (the last person asking about it was me).

[And]

Hi

Yeah I'll put something in the FAQ Tom.

Tim, good point. Look at the context of the Tech1 course though, which is a technical diving course. GUE don't do an OW course although they are doing in the future and this may include some of this stuff but I bet litigation will be one barrier to setting it up.

Its never come up with my buddies as both Mark and I are BSAC DL's so have done AV and CPR training (o2 admin has only recently been implemented into DL, but I did it as part of Advanced). We actually met on a BSAC Practical Rescue Mgt Course.

The bottom line is GUE recommend you do rescue training and o2 admin, but they don't provide it themselves as yet. It is for the team to organise. JJ mentions something about it in his Fundamentals book.

Thats why I recommended Rick to take the RD course this summer, use the winter to get his shit together DIR wise and then take DIRF in the spring.

Andy

[Fraser]

I surprised at this given the emphasis on team and the buddy. Can you really have a team of Tech-1 divers that can get an unconcious diver to the surface but would be clueless once they get him there.

No, GUE state rescue training, CPR etc is a prerequisite for all courses apart from Fundamentals so all Tech 1 divers will be rescue trained, albeit not by GUE.

HTH,

Fraser.

[Tim Ingmire]

Originally Posted by Fraser

No, GUE state rescue training, CPR etc is a prerequisite for all courses apart from Fundamentals so all Tech 1 divers will be rescue trained, albeit not by GUE.

HTH,

Fraser.

Thanks Fraser, I thought it was a bit surprising that they hadn't considered Rescure and O2 Admin but that clears it up. Is it a mandatory prerequisite?

[And]

Oh Yeah

Forgot about that. Its on the online registration thingy. You have to state the rescue training you've done. So yes, it is mandatory for anything other than Fundamentals

Andy

PS Added to the FAQ now Tom

[Conor]

It sounds like the DIR(F) requirements answers the original post.

I feel that although the PADI system lets you dive independently from OW, I reckon everyone who wants to do independent diving should have rescue training. I think it should be apparent that the further you go from basic OW level recreational boundaries towards more complex diving (deco and gases) the need for rescue capability increases, simply because the chances of something going wrong incrases with the complexity of the dive.

Just my 2p

Conor

[Davey Willo]

On DIR-F we had rescuing toxing and unconscious divers shown to us but we didn't practise it... On Tech 1 we did as And has described... swimimming the diver up from behind is excellent, twas like riding a scooter so it was...

I did my CPR and Oxygen administration with Andy Hayhurst (Dalesdivers) very good and very cheap.. I'd recommend this class to anyone.