a few pics

[uwila]

Originally Posted by Whale Shark

So, just because I ask an innocent question regarding what camera did Jane used, I have loads of smug answers that it is "not the camera, but the skills of the photographer" that counts. Yes, I know that. It has been mentioned often enough in the forum. However, that answer is like Shumacher telling me that he can drive a Lada faster than I can drive a Ferrari! Or that a six-inch di*k can perform just as well as a nine-inch one! So, what has this answer taught me about photography? Zilch!

and knowing the model of the camera would teach you zilch as well. I would respect this comment of yours if your question had been:

"So Triplefin, how did you get such great shots - what do you think was important in how you did it?"

However a simple 'what camera did you use' implies that the most important aspect was the type of camera - you didn't seem to want to know anything else about her technique.

Originally Posted by Whale Shark

However, if someone is considering what features should one be looking for in buying a new camera, then this question may have more significance. I have seen a good photo shot, and I like to know what feature in that camera can achieve that.

True, but you didn't ask how she did it, so how on earth can you tell if she used a feature which is better implemented in her camera than in all the others?

Originally Posted by Whale Shark

So, of course, the skills of the photographers are important, but one still need to know which camera to buy.

Well, what we're actually saying is that you don't 'need to know which camera to buy'. You need to know what your budget is and then buy to that. Very good shots are still possible with cheaper models, especially older ones like the Olly 5050.

Originally Posted by Whale Shark

So, I'll just politely just ask one more time to all you "I have arrived" u/w photographers....eerrr which cameras have you got? Why did you choose that model?

Now that's a whole different game and it can be very useful to know why people chose one model over another - as long as the person you're asking actually produces some good shots which conveniently lets me off the hook

[Scubee]

Originally Posted by uwila

...... as long as the person you're asking actually produces some good shots which conveniently lets me off the hook

I hope your tongue was firmly in your cheek there!

[Jules]

lovely pictures Jane and you have a great eye for composition. I really must get a strobe for my 5050.

[Whale Shark]

and knowing the model of the camera would teach you zilch as well. I would respect this comment of yours if your question had been:

"So Triplefin, how did you get such great shots - what do you think was important in how you did it?"

Hey, give me a chance...how did you know that I was not going to follow up my questions later on, with her techniques? It all got diverted with "...its not the camera, but...."

However a simple 'what camera did you use' implies that the most important aspect was the type of camera - you didn't seem to want to know anything else about her technique.

Again, an assumption on your part. It is always good to know which model that we are talking about here as perhaps, I might know the model too. And may be able to discuss things using the same terminologies. I have found out that some cameras have some slight difference in terminologies for the same functions. I have on occasions been slightly confused by it, seeing that I am relatively new to all these. Also, I am more inclined to examine a camera closer when I am browsing in the shops, if I have some degree of knowledge / familiarity with it. So, tell me, what is so wrong about showing a little bit of interest other than a purely photographic techique one?

True, but you didn't ask how she did it, so how on earth can you tell if she used a feature which is better implemented in her camera than in all the others?

Again, I refer to my first response above.

Well, what we're actually saying is that you don't 'need to know which camera to buy'. You need to know what your budget is and then buy to that. Very good shots are still possible with cheaper models, especially older ones like the Olly 5050.

Now I know that you are really pulling me legs.......are you saying that the type of cameras that people use are merely a way for folks to show off their dosh? If I follow your logic, then those with dslr must be real show off pricks, right? I have not mentioned at any time that cheap cameras can't produce very good shots. But surely, some differences in different cameras produce qualities of varying degree?

Now that's a whole different game and it can be very useful to know why people chose one model over another - as long as the person you're asking actually produces some good shots which conveniently lets me off the hook

hmmmmmmm......do I detect a hint of false modesty here?

[Whale Shark]

Originally Posted by Mike Ward

Hi Whale Shark,

Sorry to wind you up - my views on all of this are on my website, along with much more background info than I put in here...

No worries, no problem at all. Will look up your website to gain some more insights to photography.

So, if triplefin don't feel that I am hijacking her thread, may I ask her how she shot her excellent pics (phew.........finally managed to get this out)?

[uwila]

Originally Posted by Whale Shark

Now I know that you are really pulling me legs.......are you saying that the type of cameras that people use are merely a way for folks to show off their dosh? If I follow your logic, then those with dslr must be real show off pricks, right? I have not mentioned at any time that cheap cameras can't produce very good shots. But surely, some differences in different cameras produce qualities of varying degree?

No, not merely a way to show off their dosh. I'm saying that the primary difference between good shots, like Jane's, and average ones comes from the photographer and therefore our first question should be 'how did you achieve that?'. A good photographer will always get a better shot than an average person. It would be far more complimentary to the photographer to ask 'how' in the first instance and then ask if a specific camera feature was required to enable the shot.

Originally Posted by Whale Shark

hmmmmmmm......do I detect a hint of false modesty here?

Not really - I'm one of those 'real show off pricks' and I take loads and loads of shots and every now and then a half decent one pops up ( now, this really is false modesty)

On a one day course with tourist, Martin Edge agreed that everyone eventually gets a stunning shot as long as they take enough. The skill comes in knowing how to do so and then having the eye, patience and diving skills to achieve it every time.


but back to the OP: Well done again, great shots!

[BobAnderson]

Wow: I'd always thought you wouldn't lend your camera to anyone. Atagirl!

[whacky]

Photography for me is about opportunity and knowledge.

You need the knowledge of how your camera works how to light the shot, good composition, that gives you the skill to take good shots then you just need th opportunity to be in the right place at the right time. The more well known photographers get more chances to take thhe great shots.

[Bobbie Jo]

Originally Posted by triplefin

Finally sorted out the last of my pics from dives last year and took these shore diving Loch Fyne. I think these anemones are absolutley incredible - certainly the most beautiful thing I photographed last year.
Tagged along with Yazzy's club for the weekend as they had spaces. Bit of a trek for three shore dives but I reckon looking at these it was worth every hours driving.
They are Deeplet Anemones and grow to about 30cm across. Although it was a fairly bright day it was fairly dark underwater, probably the dark rocks didnt help. Anyway these things were dotted around and showed up like beacons in the dark.
Just goes to show that you can find some fabulous stuff in the UK and on what many would consider a very ordinary dive.

WOW, Very nice!

[wreckferret]

Rob,
Hope you are well, thanks for the tip on getting a small c for copyright.

Sorry Jane for going off on a curve..