Under-undersuit recommendation

[gmul]

Yip - you did read right.. I am looking for recommendations for a worthwhile garment to use "under" my undersuit.

I currently dive with a Weezle Extreme + undersuit and Weezle socks but still feel the cold, especially at the minute. Am using an Inspiration and the warmer air delivered is just not enough. Core temperature may well be higher but I'll be damned if I can feel it !!!

Ideal candidate must be warm, obviously, but preferably nothing with inbuilt positive bouyancy characteristics as I don't think I could face putting even more lead on the belt.

Thanks,
Gary.

[divingfiredog]

Check out fourth element

[The Doctor]

Originally Posted by divingfiredog

Check out fourth element

Fourth element top bit of kit if you still fill cold get some argon that should do the job if you are still cold stay by the fire at home.

[Scuba Dub]

I use one of these:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Thermal-One-pi...QQcmdZViewItem

Nice and cheap and does the job. Delivery was pretty quick too.

[Twinsetmad]

The weezles are great bits of kit...but if the suit is squeezed onto your body the weezle doesn't work. Put a bit more weight on your belt and blow your suit up a bit more. You mustn't wear anything under a weezle...birthdaysuit only.

[Ian@1904]

Originally Posted by Twinsetmad

You mustn't wear anything under a weezle...birthdaysuit only.

Not entirely correct. I use the 4th element base layer system and the weezle base layer system, sometimes both (in Jan/Feb)

[Chriz]

I use lard.

[Chriz]

Bugger....wrong website..

[Moz]

I have used a 100g undersuit from ROHO using the outlast material. I will admit I was unsure about the claims but ordered a suit package at show prices. 45 mins at 10 degrees no problem! I think 4th element and other makes works on the same principal(wear as normal underwear) warming the fibres before the dive. The heat is then transfered back. However they will not work if you change from your normal clothes prior to the dive, It' all about heat exchange. The mountaineering community has been using this stuff for a couple of years, so check out some of the gear there before buying more expensive "diving" clothing.

I'm not an experienced diver but I do get cold the same as everyone else!

David

[Twinsetmad]

See the bit...What shall I wear beneath it..


copied from the weezle website.


WEEZLE UNDERSUITS

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Undersuit Frequently Asked Questions


Will I need to wear more weight?

No, in fact we get reports back from lots of divers who have actually taken weight off their belts.


What should I wear underneath it?

Nothing, or as little as you are comfortable wearing. The wicking properties of the suit work best when in direct contact with the skin. Any layers between the skin and the suit will soak up moisture, hindering it's removal resulting in a cooling effect.


Which weight of undersuit should I buy?

This depends on the type of diving you do and how much you are effected by the cold. The thermal properties of the Compact exceed those of traditional undersuits whereas the Extreme breaks the boundaries of undersuit manufacture and is suitable for ice diving. Many of our retailers only stock the Compact as they feel this is all that is required. Even though the Extreme is slightly more bulky, it is still more flexible than most undersuits, so movement is not restricted.


While waiting to dive, will I overheat in the one of these undersuits?

No, if you squeeze the air out of your drysuit, effectively vacuum packing yourself, you can alter the thermal properties of the suit to your liking.


Will I be able to get it underneath my membrane/neoprene drysuit?

If you can get a traditional undersuit on under your drysuit, you can get a Weezle suit on. Weezle suits compress down to an unbelievable size and yet expands to fill any gaps resulting in it being the most effective piece thermal protection underclothing on the market.


Why isn't it quilted?

The need to quilt the undersuit has been carefully designed out of the suit. Quilting restricts the free migration of air around the suit hindering it's removal when dumping is required.

Another reason why quilting has been omitted from the suit, is that at every point where there is stitching, a cold spot occurs. By making the material self supporting, the need for quilting, and therefore cold spots, is removed.




Will the filling move around?

When the filling was designed it was made to be self supporting to remove the need for quilting. We have several suits that have been seriously "used and abused" and none of them have shown any sign of breaking up.


Is it machine washable?

Yes. Instructions are given on the care label sewn into one of the inner seams.


Will I have to cut holes in it for my cuff/shoulder dump?

No. This above all was a major design requirement of the suit. Air must be able to migrate through and around the suit with minimal restriction. The action of cutting holes in undersuits or replacing sections with netting, reduces the thermal properties of the undersuit. In the case of a cuff dump, removing a section of the undersuit to assist air dumping, occurs at a point where your blood is closest to the surface.