Too tight to buy Xerotherm Arctics?

[Woz]

Just tried these in Stoney under a membrane with a wicking base layer (and nothing else). Kept me warm enough and a snip compared to the 4th Elephant stuff:

Xcelcius Thermal Underwear - Megatherm

[Richard Mason]

Originally Posted by Woz

Just tried these in Stoney under a membrane with a wicking base layer (and nothing else). Kept me warm enough and a snip compared to the 4th Elephant stuff:

Xcelcius Thermal Underwear - Megatherm

What was the water temperature?

What does the wicking base layer comprise?

[Chriz]

The Helly Hansen Lifa thermals make an excellent base layer as well.

Chris

[Bardo]

Originally Posted by Woz

Just tried these in Stoney under a membrane with a wicking base layer (and nothing else). Kept me warm enough and a snip compared to the 4th Elephant stuff:

Xcelcius Thermal Underwear - Megatherm

Xerotherm Arctics? Pah! Yesterday's news! What you want is a set of these...

The new Fourth Element Subzero undersuit system for membrane drysuits. These are just pure sex and they're one of the few undersuits on the market that you can wear in Tesco without looking like a complete numpty! My order is already in...

[Lake Diver]

The new Fourth Element Subzero undersuit system -

looks like a 1980's shell suit so probably more suited to shopping in Lidl, do they come in lime green?

[triplefin]

Originally Posted by Lake Diver

looks like a 1980's shell suit so probably more suited to shopping in Lidl, do they come in lime green?

[ardhill]

Originally Posted by Woz

Just tried these in Stoney under a membrane with a wicking base layer (and nothing else). Kept me warm enough and a snip compared to the 4th Elephant stuff:

Xcelcius Thermal Underwear - Megatherm

I have a set of those, but I didn't find them as good as Artics. Are they as good at he standard Xerothems? Dunno - I don't have those only Artics.

I also think your wicking layer helped Woz, as I didn't think they did that job too well either.

So, maybe with a descent wicking layer, they are as good as Artics.

[endoman]

Originally Posted by Bardo

Xerotherm Arctics? Pah! Yesterday's news! What you want is a set of these...

The new Fourth Element Subzero undersuit system for membrane drysuits. These are just pure sex and they're one of the few undersuits on the market that you can wear in Tesco without looking like a complete numpty! My order is already in...

This does look pretty smart, any web links, google hasn't helped?

It's just getting enough for me to think about a base layer under my Artics, I just use the merino wool stuff I have for skiing, only need the top, legs are ok. I do tend to dive with little air in the dry suit though.

[Richard Mason]

Originally Posted by ardhill

I have a set of those, but I didn't find them as good as Artics. Are they as good at he standard Xerothems? Dunno - I don't have those only Artics.

I also think your wicking layer helped Woz, as I didn't think they did that job too well either.

So, maybe with a descent wicking layer, they are as good as Artics.

Do you people think that these would be OK for the wicking layer?

I really struggle with the finding the best combinations of undersuit stuff here. It doesn't get that cold (only about 10C) in winter, so my new Typhoon suit is great but Summer (18C) is a bit of a tricky one - I find getting dressed up in drysuit etc at 30+C above water (fairly common) very unpleasant but the water isn't really all that warm once you've been in a while. I wouldn't mind something not quite as toasty as the Typhoon but not to cool.

[ardhill]

Originally Posted by Richard Mason

Do you people think that these would be OK for the wicking layer?

Richard, they are the same make, and the same mateial as the one's Woz posted. Thee are a few types, but essentially the warmer ones have more fluff inside (like a fleece).

I wouldn't use them.

But merino woll works and here is a merino wool company on your side of the globe that makes base layers. Be careful about the sizes though, the size chart looks a bit weird to me.

Hmm, they appear to be having problems with their pictures ATM.

Or you could use Helly Hensen Lifa base layer.