Undersuits?

[Sipadan]

ferg, you know my feelings on dry gloves. if you're going to do this kind of silly stuff, then you need 'em

[Ferg3333]

Restrictiveness wise, I only need to be able to put my fins on, and reach the valves on the inspo, but I do like a good range of movement.

My otter 200gram has a hole in it, bet you cant guess where so thats probably half the problem. I can just about manage an hour at the moment in 100gram, but I am freezing when I get out and its just no fun anymore. Plus I'm on a breather so that probably helps.

Originally Posted by Sipadan

ferg, you know my feelings on dry gloves. if you're going to do this kind of silly stuff, then you need 'em

Mate, I have my mittens for when its real cold, although they are starting to wear a little now.

Anyone know when the new fourth element stuff is due out, for underneath membranes?? Or would you swear by the mega therm woz? My other option is go back to neoprene and wear shorts and a jumper.

[String]

Having never seen a thinsulate would a Santi 400g be as thick as a Weezle Extreme plus or thinner? Are they as flexible?

My Weezle extreme plus 3 thermal underlayers just isn't doing it so i need to change suit but trying to avoid something so restrictive i cant reach valves.

[MarkP]

Originally Posted by String

Having never seen a thinsulate would a Santi 400g be as thick as a Weezle Extreme plus or thinner? Are they as flexible?

My Weezle extreme plus 3 thermal underlayers just isn't doing it so i need to change suit but trying to avoid something so restrictive i cant reach valves.

A well cut 400gm undersuit would be much heavier than your Weezle. I've found that Weezles are actually very restrictive when it comes to behind the shoulder reach and ditched mine for the PB400, which is only marginally more restrictive than a T-shirt.

You won't get much flexibility from a 400gm undersuit, but if it's a good fit it will be less restrictive. I've found I now need less air in my suit to give the valve reach I need. I'll not go back to a Weezle / lofting insulation suit.

[String]

One good thing about my weezle is that ive not found it in the slightest bit restrictive. Possibly its because its slightly long for me in the body but its been great.

Heavier i can cope with (it wont be going abroad) but thickness wise is my main worry - i havent got a lot of room in the suit for anything thicker than a weezle.

[MarkP]

Originally Posted by String

Heavier i can cope with (it wont be going abroad) but thickness wise is my main worry - i havent got a lot of room in the suit for anything thicker than a weezle.

In that case I'd steer clear of a 400gm suit. However, it probably explains why you get cold, as Weezles really only work when there's enough gas in the suit to allow the material to "loft". If there's not enough space to allow the material to loft then it won't keep you very warm.

[ardhill]

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[Silent Diver]

I use a DUI CF200 and in the summer just wear the Fourth Element DryBase on its own but as the temperature drops I will add the Fourth Element Xerotherm Arctic over the top of the base layer and thats all I need to stay toasty and this doesnt restrict movement at all for me so I can still reach all the valves on my twinset and my rebreather.

[Ferg3333]

Originally Posted by Silent Diver

I use a DUI CF200 and in the summer just wear the Fourth Element DryBase on its own but as the temperature drops I will add the Fourth Element Xerotherm Arctic over the top of the base layer and thats all I need to stay toasty and this doesnt restrict movement at all for me so I can still reach all the valves on my twinset and my rebreather.

Not suprised your warm, its crushed neoprene the CF200. Think everyone would be toasty in that.

[Silent Diver]

Originally Posted by Ferg3333

Not suprised your warm, its crushed neoprene the CF200. Think everyone would be toasty in that.

Thats the reason I went with the DrySuit/Undersuit combination I did .