Super Harpoon makes me feel sick!!!!!

[MATTBIN]

30 odd years ago the Japs sent over a load of motorbikes, they were ok engine wise but crap everywhere else, we complained, the next batch were better, eventually they took over the UK market because enough people complained and it affected their profits.
They do listen if you shout the right words.

Matt

Personally I'd sink the little sh*ts.

[PADI-Paddy]

The japanese and the rest of the whale hunting fraternity are a bunch of bastards !!!!!!!!!!!
cheers

[Ken]

Originally Posted by MATTBIN

30 odd years ago the Japs sent over a load of motorbikes, they were ok engine wise but crap everywhere else, we complained, the next batch were better, eventually they took over the UK market because enough people complained and it affected their profits.
They do listen if you shout the right words.
Matt
Personally I'd sink the little sh*ts.

I think it's very important to separate the entities from the people/culture. The government(s) and the respective fishing industries support this dying industry.

I have some experience here. The whalers did not love this occupation (Russian). They did this out of necessity. They felt terrible about their industry and shooting the whales. I would suspect the same of Japanese, Norwegian and Icelandic harpooners & processors. The folks to dislike are the fellows sitting in their offices making these decisions at a cost to everyone else.

Individual boycotting is admirable and should be supplemented by a mass education programme. Get the good word out to the kids. They are more than happy to be advocates for just causes and we know how persuasive they can be. Let them know that certain Nordic and Asian corporations seek profit at everyone's demise.

[smudger]

Originally Posted by Kate

Please don’t think I am having a dig at you Smudger, I’m really not. I understand what you are saying.
This post was not intentionally posted to argue specifically about whaling. It was to make people aware of what was about to be ‘released’ and how some people think that killing in such a barbaric way is humane, when clearly, it isn’t.
I’m sorry in advance if I seem to snap at any comments made. I just have very strong views on this matter (along with a lot of other people I am sure)

I agree its barbaric! But we have to be very careful not to hold to arms a whole nation. Also if it cant be stopped by peer pressure the other solutions need to be found. Do we condemn Eskimo's (I know we are not meant to call them that) for taking a whale for the community? No we justify it as a way of life and allow it and even rejoice in the way they live the simple life. 1 whale or 100 whales you can see the predicament as long as a single whale is being taken then that opens the flood gates and you can no longer argue against anyone taking them.
So the solution has got to be an economically viable.
Which means a softly softly approach.
I would also add that I dont get upset on here its a forum and everybody should be allowed their say within reason. We might not always agree and even dislike whats being said but I for one would not relish the prospect of a community that all thought the same way.
I have the ultimate power if I really dont like it !!!!
I Turn the computor off!!!!

[Mark Davies]

Originally Posted by chrisch

Mark while I agree that Nestlé et al have faults enough that you might want to boycott their products its a pretty ineffective strategy.

It might seem that way, but organised boycotting on a large scale is the most effective kind of pressure group, because it hits commercial organisations in the only place they care about - the bottom line. It takes time and sometimes it might be ineffective, but in the meantime my conscience is clear knowing that I am not knowingly putting my money towards organisations whose business practices are deeply unethical.

In the modern world it is impossible to ensure your money never gets to these corporations, but I am happy that I am at least doing my best. They may not notice the loss of my custom, but that's not entirely the point.

I do appreciate the argument in relation to boycotting a nation's products rather than a company, but as I say above, France and Japan aren't going to miss me. I'll just feel that little bit . . . . . cleaner.

[Kate]

Originally Posted by smudger

I agree its barbaric! But we have to be very careful not to hold to arms a whole nation.

I don’t hold the whole nation to arms, just those who chose to partake in this industry, whether designing the weapons, firing them, or those who eat, wear or do whatever with the animal that has been slaughtered.

I know that a normal comeback would be something like, “Do you wear leather shoes?” and the answer to that would be “Yes, but a cow isn’t endangered!”

Also if it cant be stopped by peer pressure the other solutions need to be found.

I know that at this stage peer pressure is not a solution, but in the future, who’s to say it wont be? If enough people make a stand and stop buying the products that are being produced from these creatures, they will no longer have a reason to kill them.

Do we condemn Eskimo's (I know we are not meant to call them that) for taking a whale for the community? No we justify it as a way of life and allow it and even rejoice in the way they live the simple life.

No, we don’t condemn Eskimo’s, but they kill to survive, it is their way of life. I use the Japanese as an example here, but other cultures, like Japan, do not require Whale Blubber or meat to survive. They are not a struggling nation. Eskimo’s do not slaughter to the point of extinction, other cultures do!

[Madfish]

The Sunday Times - World

The Sunday Times January 29, 2006

Japan invents super-harpoon to kill whales
Jonathan Leake and Julian Ryall

“Because new species have been added to the research project this year ..............” he said.

Thats the Japanese for added to the menu.

Dianne

[Madfish]

[quote=Mark Davies]Right, enough is enough. Japan are now on my official 'shit list', along with Nestle, Coca Cola, McDonalds, KFC and the French.

This is not a thread hijack, but why the French? Perhaps we could start another thread?
Dianne

[chrisch]

Originally Posted by Madfish

This is not a thread hijack, but why the French? Perhaps we could start another thread?
Dianne

Yes it is.

They like eat snails... like cruelty to snails.... free the snails!!!

Chris

[Mark Davies]

Originally Posted by Madfish

This is not a thread hijack, but why the French?

Nuclear testing in the Phillipines, burning our sheep on their motorways, illegally refusing to allow the import of our beef, blockading the Channel ports and ruining our transport industry, deliberately siting their assylum camp at the entrance of the tunnel, sinking the Rainbow Warrior . . . . . I could go on and on.

The French thing is really just a personal foible - not something I'd preach about. Nestle and Coca Cola - now that's altogether different!