Bloody Hell... you can speak KlingonFrom Defence Industry Daily
'The Queen Elizabeth Class' complement will be around 1,500 all-told, including 600 or so in the Joint Force Air Group (JFAG) who will support and fly the embarked aircraft. The winning ACA "Design Delta" is fitted with a ski-jump to operate short take off and vertical landing aircraft like the F-35B STOVL Joint Strike Fighter, but the carriers can be altered to accommodate catapults and arrestor gear to fly conventional carrier aircraft. Britain considers this valuable future-proofing for a ship with a 50 year life.
With respect to its aircraft complement, the JFAG will include about 30 F-35B Lightning II STOVL fighters, 6 EH101 Merlin helicopters, and up to 4 airborne early warning aircraft systems of an as-yet undetermined kind (though they are likely to be based on the EH101 Merlin). AEW Options discussed to date have included variants of the E-2 Hawkeye aircraft, EH101 Merlin helicopter, or even the V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor.'
Guess we are the 51st state...
Saw that in the paper yesterday i think the admiral of the fleet was quoted as saying "he'll believe when he sees them at sea"
Im sure these were announced during options for change stuff about 10 years ago
Where are they gonna get the extra matelots required to keep both of them sailing and painted??
AND they reckon they are going to get all 8 Type 45 air warfare destroyers, yet they can't even afford basic first aid kits (ie shell dressings, elastoplast, blister cream, paracetomol and immodium) for section medics on operations? And after that's after they've disbanded 3 infantry battalions.I don't believe we will ever see either of these ships, its a politically geared announcement as we may have a general election soon, so they can keep the forces and those with national interests happy, also the workers in the two ports due to build them and obviously the relevant trade unions happy.
They are not gonna happen
I'm also surprised at the names, i would have thought that HMS Diversity and Equality would have been one and HMS Welfare State the other
If you want the best, you go to the people who've got the money, expertise & resources to make it happen. The yanks have pretty well written the book on carriers and carrier-borne ops since WW2, so why try to reinvent the wheel?Guess we are the 51st state...
That's because they get a lot more practice.It's a bit like do I buy a Ford or a Citroen? The Citroen is probably OK and looks pretty cool but I know I can get spares for the Ford for the next 30 years and anywhere I go, the mechanics know how to work on them.
If you want the best, you go to the people who've got the money, expertise & resources to make it happen. The yanks have pretty well written the book on carriers and carrier-borne ops since WW2, so why try to reinvent the wheel?
Same over here too, we are buying two air warfare destroyers, Spanish design but the system is Aegis, Harpoon etc, we fly Blackhawks, FA18s and F111s and are about to buy FA18 Superhornets as a stop gap to replace the F111, before the F35 comes on line. And we've just bought a regiment's worth of M1 Abrams MBTs. We bought Swedish designed diesel-electric submarines a few years back (politically motivated as the socialist cabal that ran Canberra back then felt more comfortable buying from a similarly orientated government) and they have been nothing but trouble, they nearly lost one a couple of years ago; now if they'd bought em off the Germans..............
It's a bit like do I buy a Ford or a Citroen? The Citroen is probably OK and looks pretty cool but I know I can get spares for the Ford for the next 30 years and anywhere I go, the mechanics know how to work on them.
No, they'd do a RAS (Replenishment At Sea), which is basically what happens to all the RN ships anyway, provided by the RFA . . .Food, Fuel and Stores for 7 days between replenishments, so thats once round the Isle of Wight a quick butchers at the Channel Islands, scare some of the natives on the Scillies and back before Dr.Who.
I would never buy from the French:teeth: They just made a new aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle. Maybe the UK gov. could use that design:teeth: I can see this now:It's a bit like do I buy a Ford or a Citroen? The Citroen is probably OK and looks pretty cool but I know I can get spares for the Ford for the next 30 years and anywhere I go, the mechanics know how to work on them.
Something similar happened here too, we have the F88 Austeyr a great bullpup rifle, also in service with the Rep of Ireland, Austria, NZ and a number of other armed services. Great rifle, I carried one for 5 years whilst in the chocos, very reliable and accurate, at 3.6Kg with 30 rd mag light weight too (I couldn't believe that the SA80 is actually heavier than the old SLR at 4.98Kg and 4.45Kg respectively)SA80 A2 version is great, but we got offered M16s for peanuts, well about $50 a piece and didn't take them.