YD Scuba Diving Forums banner

Azimuth is it the one for me?

6077 Views 24 Replies 17 Participants Last post by  Rudolf Hucker
I am looking at joining the ranks of the SCR divers. Is the Azimuth a good reliable unit? It is very cheap from ND
1 - 20 of 25 Posts
Who the devil are ya? :D

A quick intro would be good, but in the meantime...............



You don't wanna do it like that mate!

You wanna do it like this :D
See less See more
Rudolf Hucker said:
I am looking at joining the ranks of the SCR divers. Is the Azimuth a good reliable unit? It is very cheap from ND
Is it the one for you? Until we know a little more about you (it's kinda traditional to do an introduction before posting in the forums), it'd be hard to say mate.

Care to post a little on yourself? :)
Mr T. said:
Is it the one for you? Until we know a little more about you (it's kinda traditional to do an introduction before posting in the forums), it'd be hard to say mate.

Care to post a little on yourself? :)
I suspect I know *exactly* who Rudolf is...

All I can say is that him and his mate should stick with their twinsets and stop changing their kit every five minutes... ;)
Bardo said:
stop changing their kit every five minutes... ;)
Now if ever Mr Pot was talking to Mr Kettle.....!
Frogman said:
A quick intro would be good, but in the meantime...............



You don't wanna do it like that mate!

You wanna do it like this :D
Rick,

You are about 10 hoses, a fair amount of rubber/plastic and some 3 finger mitts short of a proper diving set up!

:)
Not to mention a backplate and harness. And how do you adjust your bouyancy without a wing?

Laters,
Janos
And those cylinders need boots on them. When will they ever learn? ;)
where is your ABLJ and snorkel?
and he needs some goggles and flippers to go with that lot :)

besides - that kit's way too clean and shiny to belong to a real diver ;)
Great set up there Rick I knew you see the light eventually, but you forgot the boots though ;)



Safe diving,
Steve
See less See more
  • Like
Reactions: 1
PMSL :D



Steve S said:
Great set up there Rick I knew you see the light eventually, but you forgot the boots though ;)



Safe diving,
Steve
Where are the "fluorescent" thinggis hanging arround? :eek:
wreckweasel said:
Now if ever Mr Pot was talking to Mr Kettle.....!
Shurrup, you!

Talking of, how is the new torch? ;)
Is anyone going to answer this question? OK, I'll have a bit of a bash. I don't like the Azimuth. This is not based on anything to do with how it works (but I think SCR is a waste of time to be honest, when CCR is so much better for so little increase in cost, skill etc) but I tried one in a pool, and it felt like Fisher Price had made it. It clicked, whirred, generally was a bit useless. Significantly better was the Drager, and better than both was the inspiration. Simple. Take from that what you will, but there's a reason why ND sell them cheap - no-one buys them.

There is a guy on here (I think it's MAD, the person, not the idea) who has one, and I'm sure he'll be along in a bit to tell you what's good about them. I've heard the scrubber is a nice bit of kit, and from what I've seen yes, but then if that's all that's good about a unit then you might as well carry on with OC.
As Digger said SCR is a waste of time and money. A Sport KISS will do a much much better job for the same cash. I cant see the point of diving a fancy gizmo which basicly gives you one or posably two fixed Nitrox mixes on a dive and yet has all the inherent dangers of CCR.

A proper CCR like the KISS gives variable set point and dynamic PP02 that offeres max bottom time with minmum deco. The KISS is also minimal electronics with no electronics controling the unit so its comperable to a SCR in terms of less is more.

I would dive both and then make up your mind.


ATB

Mark Chase
Digger said:
Is anyone going to answer this question? OK, I'll have a bit of a bash. I don't like the Azimuth
I have heard from a reputable instructor that it is a pile of ****. The cylinders are so far down your back it screws up any hope of a decent trim.
Well sooner or later I was bound to chip in.

I've been diving an Azi for 18 months now, 150 hours maybe total.

Despite some of the comments above, I've found it to be a spot on bit of kit from an SCR perspective.

I've dived Draegers... all sorts and there are pro's and cons to both.

Since I've got the experience of the Azi (and I made the choice to go that direction) here's my tuppence worth.

Build Quality/design:-

Very good, full shell made from what appears to be structural Nylon... very robust and virtually unbreakable.
Mares 1st standard stages... good quality and any dive centre can arrange service. Never had a problem even at 35m in 5 degs of water in a muddy puddle in Leicesterhire...
All hoses are pretty much standard low pressure hoses, either 1st stage type of low pressure inflator hoses... spare available anywhere.
Radial Stainless scubber... the dogs danglies... you will not get better in an SCR (IMHO)
Mouthpiece, excellent design... one of the few that can be opened and closed single handedly (With one hand... not just by yourself!!! :teeth: )
The wing is on my opinion poorly designed, but is probably that shape (square) to stop it being trapped by the case.
The harness was the first thing I changed... didn't like the jacket style harness and went for a Custom Diver copy I made up myself.

Oh yes... and it's black... if that sort of thing appeal to you...


In Use:-

Scrubber and mouthpiece... see above.
Flow rate is infinitely adjustable so can be tuned to your metabolic rate (I tended to use mine and 6l per minute on 40%) No messing about with nozzels etc.
Built in second cylider for either bailout or longer duration (2 X 4l) gave me 200+ minutes of gas time.
Trim... comments right about the weighting of the system. Two steel cylinders make it bottom heavy... 2k of lead in the top soon fixes that. Had no problem with trim, with only 5kg on my belt for sea diving.
Weight... it is heavy... 27kg+ fully loaded... not much different to twin twelves.
WOB - due to the radial scrubber work of breathing certainly feels less than a YBOD or Dolphin
Duration - Some of the documentation gives a 5 hours scrubber duration but with 2.2kg of Sofno I'd take this with a pinch of salt... use your common sense!
Noise... on the surface it can honk like a goose (or bagpipes if you are that way inclined!!) Can be disconcerting and will get you funny looks. That being said there's no doubting that you've turned that gas on :eek: Any noise disappears once below about 6m to to the exhaust rate deminishing.
Tools... best set of any tools with any SCR I've come across, flow meter etc serious quality.



All that being said... it is only an SCR.

For SCR it was my weapon of choice (You'll understand that terminology if you've seen the way I dive!!!!)

SCR is an introduction to rebreather diving and a sound footing for the foibles of bouyancy control etc with the simplicity of Nitrox rather than constant PPO2 and no electronics. (Although I wouldn't touch one without a FiO2 monitor of some sort) It has it's place... I get much more duration than out of my twin 12s once deeper that about 15m... I've quite happily done a full weekends diving on one fill of cylinders and scrubber)

I now dive almost exclusively YBOD and my shiney new Evo is waiting to get wet. Azimuth from my perspective is now a prime candidate for the Frankenstein treatment... since my homebuild is still just a pile of bits.

Oh and the point of the Nothern Diver prices... they don't have any... they dropped the price over a year ago to sell off their last two units... they sold very quickly. (If you can get one new for this price I'd say go for it... after all it's a simple matter of a Kiss or similar (Hydrogom) valve to close the unit :D )

Waiting for the exocets to head my direction...
See less See more
Ah, the voice of reason from the dive police!!! You know who you are!!
Frogman said:
A quick intro would be good, but in the meantime...............



You don't wanna do it like that mate!

You wanna do it like this :D
Sorry , i am new to this forum lark! What do you want as an intro? Inside leg? favourite footy team? Give me a clue with this. Do i post the intro on everything as a precursor until i have completed the probationary phase?

Thanks In advance :confused:
1 - 20 of 25 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top