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Hi board
I'm back after a substantial period of lurking due to changed circumstances.
Following on from the "chucked" thread, particularly the issue of language, I was wondering how many members have kids, how many of those kids dive, and how many read this board?
I'm certainly not in favour of censorship, and I wouldn't let my 11 year old on here without watching what he was accessing, which is why hopefully peace will reign now on the boards.
Hallelujah!
 

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Amen to that!!
 

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I know I'm just an old-fashioned fart (does that count as a swearword?) but I must say that the constant use of the F-word that pervades conversation and the written word in the UK these days shocks me. When I left the UK, 35 years ago, it was considered an extremely offensive word and was definitely not used by educated people and absolutely not by women. I really don't see the need to ever use it in postings on these boards. In what way does it add to the message? Personally, I DO think a certain amount of censorship would improve the quality of the forum. Sorry if this sounds a bit puritanical – I'm not religious or anything, just don't like to see the English language being debased. Rant over. :sofa:
 

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John - one cannot "debase" the English language. It's a bastardisation of many different languages and dialects and is constantly evolving.

Yes there has been change in attitude to the use of inflamitory language during the last 35 years.

There has also been a change in attitudes to women, racism and ideas of class. Thanks God for that.

I try not to swear in front of children or others who I might easily offend but I am guilty of letting rip on occaison and don't beat myself up about it.

Let's move on and talk about something else. I bought a new hat today ....
 

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Odd really cos being two faced I swear like a trooper at work, (a very male orientated area) but I dont like to see it written on forums nor spoken in company, either mixed or I dont know extremely well. I would be shocked to hear a woman swear, especially if I didnt know her well.  There has been the occasional F word on here and some of its uses have had me in stitches and in the correct context I find it OK. However I think if we have a lot of diving kids accessing this site I would be happy if its use was censored. Fee - my boy dives and accesses this site and others - without our supervision, his computer is in his room. I sometimes check him, to date I have no reason to police him if I understand him correctly. I am not unhappy with what I have seen on here. I think its actually more damaging to see or read verbal abuse and attacks more than it is to see the odd swear word as it has a greater affect on his behaviour to others.
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(Edited by MATTBIN at 4:41 pm on Feb. 2, 2003)
 

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What about my hat - it's really nice and blue.
 

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I dont think that a few obscenities slung around on this forum is corrupting. I live next to a school and they walk past my house to the local shop and the language is quite spectacular. It does not offend me as attitudes have changed considerably. The main point is the when and where it is or is not acceptable and there comes the parental side.
The F word is very expressive, funny and of course offensive depending on the context, sh*t
I'm rambling, you get the idea. If anyone does not wish their children to view then any site can be barred with parental controls or whatever your ISP may call them.

Let's not start censoring, anyone else agree ?

(Edited by Phil Ennis at 7:29 pm on Feb. 2, 2003)
 

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Quote from Gav:
"John - one cannot "debase" the English language. It's a bastardisation of many different languages and dialects and is constantly evolving.
Yes there has been change in attitude to the use of inflamatory language during the last 35 years.
There has also been a change in attitudes to women, racism and ideas of class. Thank God for that."
An odd comparison, Gav, in my opinion. Do you really think that the widespread use of what used to be considered the coarsest of obscenities represents an advance in British civilisation? Anyway, I'm obviously alone on this, so I won't harp on about it, but it saddens me to hear my 18-year-old university student niece use a word that was formerly anathema in civilised circles. On a lighter note, it's interesting that words belonging to human sexuality are used as swearwords in anglosaxon countries, unlike in most other countries. Scandinavians think this is because anglosaxon societies are sexually repressed.




(Edited by John Gulliver at 9:03 pm on Feb. 2, 2003)
 

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John,

You're opening subjects on which people write Doctorates!

Sorry to give everyone an impromptu history lesson, but until Victoria's reign, the 'English', as a nation (the Scots having been same since Wallace 1st bared his arse to Longshanks) were a very free and 'bawdy' people.

Read any poetry by Shelley or Byron, or any play by Webster or, indeed, the Diaries of Pepys, and you'll see that it took a certain 'type' or social pervasiveness (i.e. 'Victorian attitudes') to bring all that to a halt. More's the pity, as it stifled what existed naturally (a wonderfully varied and expressive tongue) in the populace and drove it underground, made it 'dirty' (a childish discription if e're I heard one) if you will, and resulted in what your Scando mates now perceive to be our sexual repression!

Now whether we as individuals think that to be for the better or worse is up to our own pallets; but I know I'm in favour of people keeping their own views on and levels of propriety to themselves. I'm glad that we can feel free to express ourselves in the vernacular for comic-effect or emphasis - I'm not advocating its wholesale use every other word.

Oh, and FYI, English is a genderless, non-inflected Indo-European language that has sucessfully 'magpied' from it's Romano-Greco and Germanic/Nordic roots and transmogrified itself rather successfully into that which we use (as do several billion other people)  today.

And lastly, the word 'F**k' is not Anglo-Saxon: it has its root in early lower Dutch. Its etymology is maritime - hence the phrase "He gave a typically 'Lower-decks' response".

Any chance we can get back to divng now?? Please??


(Edited by Bren Tierney at 8:47 pm on Feb. 2, 2003)
 

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'Do you really think that the widespread use of what used to be considered the coarsest of obscenities represents an advance in British civilisation'

I think the point is that our use of language evolves.  If a word is widespread then by definition, it isn't considered the coarsest of obsecenities by the majority.

There are words still considered coarse by the majority, yet I seem to remember that a few hundred years ago we had a road in London called 'Great C**t Lane'.  Things change.

Interestingly, since the F word is now so widespread, it has lost it's shock value for most.  This means that it is now much less useful when used to reinforce your message.  Personally I think it adds very little to any conversation, particularly when written rather than spoken.

Each to their own though.

I'm off to have a beer now...

Oh, what sort of hat is it anyway?
 

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I think we will also find that the English were actually a bawdy people ;-))
 

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Indeed you are correct John,

Oh, and it was 'Grope C**t Lane' ;)
 

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Tis a blue and fleecy one. Oh yeah it's a f***in' beauty.

Just kiddin'
 

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I think anyone just being abusive can be "moderated" gently, but censorship?  No thanks.  That leads to all sorts of time wasting and irritation and is more trouble than it's worth.  

I understand why the point was made in the first place, but really, most of us are big boys and girls and we should be able to put our point across in our own sweet, or not-so-sweet ways.

If the point being put across is offensive, well that's another thing, but look at the stress over Ammers for example.  How much more grief if every swear-word lead to disciplining?  It'd be "last man out switch the lights off"!

My 2p worth >>>>>>>> (2p)

Was there really a "Grope C*nt Street"?  Why did they choose that name?  What's Bawdy?
 

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I stay in Glasgow. You might have guessed. To me naughty words go in one ear and out the other, indeed, my mother does tell me to F**k off all the time(and I return the compliment) though only when she is angry(or knows I'm talking shi*e). I see a trend beginning here: the so called "middle England" people have a problem with naughty words, but, the city people do not. The context in which F**f off is typed/said is the difference. If people are going to be strongly affected by a couple of bad words then how are they going to cope with diving? If you dive, you get treated like an adult. Make your own mind up. Do you want to swear?. No, Then don't. If you do swear, make sure you are surrounded by adults who can make up their own minds.

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Bawdy means coarse or vulgar.  'Tis a word not oft used these days.

I think that the street name was on account of the ladies of negotiable virtue who frequented the place.
 

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i am not from middle england, i come from the same city as you.
 

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Gav - :dance:  where did you get that hat, where did you get that hat, I'm sure it is a lovely one, I'll won't have seen a hat like that... :rock_band:

BTW, I've always been of the opinion that another FLW was the most offensive one around and could be traced back as far a Roman times when it was equally offensive; in contrast Gav's expletive was, in my opinion, immensely funny and appropriate.

Anyhoo - was anyone out diving this weekend gone?
Chee-az
Steve
 
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