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Has anyone read the April Diver mag yet? Has anyone else spotted it yet? It is isn't it?

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Oh no! It might be true!!!  
 
 
 

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spotted what?, dont make me rip the cellophane off and go searching if i dont knowwhat i am looking for!
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Oh bugger!

I didn't realise it was out yet...or is that just for subscribers? Must get my sub renewed at lids...I'm missing out having to go and get it from whsmith!!

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I haven't got my copy yet.

Suppose all the people whose surnames begin with letters before mine in the alphabet think that's fuuny eh??  


Bugger, spelt "funny" wrong as well.  
 

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but WTF are we looking for in it?
 

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is it the louise T column where she is talking about JBs thing last month about not supporting shark slaughter and the ensuing fall out with the shark trust?? and then goes on the say that people on HB.net are just fighting and argueing about silly things?
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In the Q&A bit on page 92 (?) the opening piece is about Euro rules coming into force which mean EANx cylinders need deff cylinder valves with diff threads from "ordinary air" cylinders.

The implication being that to get an EANx fill you will need to change the cylinder valve, the first stage and possibly the hose from your regs (so that you can't connect an"air reg" to an O2 set up).

I was convinced this was an April Fools. FFS what are these people on - they must walk round trying to see where they can create work for themselves.

There is a thread already started on Divernet in the Tech part of the forum (currently the top item) where there is some info and links.

I can't see the relevant manufacturers and retailers being too unhappy BUT more expense for us divers again. I've only just got over the shock of it being the norm to take a second reg when you go diving.

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ps: I've got my fingers crossed just in case it is an April Fools joke.
 

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Y'know, I'm not much happier about it myself, but thinking about it in the long term (After I stop whinging about having to replace a load of dive gear for no benefit to myself) I think it'll actually lead to quite a few good things. Depending on how it's implemented.

If adaptors are allowed, we'll all spend a tenner on the new Woz DIN-DIN convertor and the problem will be solved, no real issue.

If they rule out adaptors of any sort, then everybody who uses Nitrox will have to use the new DIN thread. Therefore the new DIN will become the industry standard, for the same reason the air-only computers are a dying breed, as everyone buys Nitrox-capable ones instead - it saves replacing them later as they progress in diving.

If everybody will only buy the new Nitrox valves, A-clamp will finally vanish into the history books where it belongs as DIN will be the only option for a buyer who wants upgrade potential in their dive gear. Again, this assumes the new rules outlaw adaptors, and therefore prevents the use of convertible valves.

If everybody, even air-breathing novices, have Nitrox valves, then they'll only be able to get air from Nitrox-pumping compressors. This will, hopefully, lead to all compressors being clean-air only, which may even result in a relaxation of the absurd "Clean every year" regulations, as there will no longer be the argument that people might put non-clean air in their Nitrox cylinders.

It might even lead to Nitrox becoming a standard gas from day one instead of an advanced course later on.

So whilst I'm no happier than anyone else at having to, potentially, get my regulators cleaned to get the new fitting added, buy new valves and maybe even new cylinders, I can see that, a few years down the line, it'll be considered a good move, as the entire diving community will be using DIN fittings and clean air/Nitrox.
 

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<font color='#000080'>Hi

But what happens when you go on holiday and the rest of the world don't have this new standard? Can't imagine Red Sea/Caribbean/Cozumel operators will be very keen to change all their valves, can you? Most americans still use AClamp regs.

I'm not so keen on having any adaptors on my regs thankyou very much and I also do not want to have to fanny about with different sets of regs.

Emigrating to Florida is looking more attractive day by day. Anyone want to buy an IT business?

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I've been looking into this quite closely and a number of people have been nudging me to get my finger out and write an online petition on this matter.

The new valve has not, as far as the HSE are concerned, been descided upon yet but the external threaded valve seems the most likely. The problem is that, IMHO as an engineering graduate (ok, it was a few years ago  
) is that the new valve design is not suitable for the job. Being an external thread it is morely likely to get damaged in handling, suffer from contamination (sand) and prevent propper sealing of the valve to the first stage and may cause injury if the thread is used to carry the cylinder.

However, the biggest problem is a bit more subtle than those. The new connection has been bought in to prevent partial pressure gas blending issues but the proposed valve will force the first stage closer to the back of a divers head. If you're diving a single tank this could be very dangerous as it could increase the chances of divers getting knocked out as they hit the water. As more people dive than blend this could be seen as a major safety issue.

So what can be done? Well, lobby the HSE and your training agency and ask them to rethink the valve design. Its not too late yet! I don't have a problem with changing valves or getting my regs converted if it means that gas blenders are less likely to get killed at work (although the new valves don't stop clean compressors from going wrong and dumping oil in a tank) but I ho have a problem when my safety is risked because of badly thought out regulations.
 

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Quote[/b] (Dominic @ Mar. 18 2004,11:24)]If adaptors are allowed, we'll all spend a tenner on the new Woz DIN-DIN convertor and the problem will be solved, no real issue.
There is talk of making it a legal offence (not sure if it will be criminal or civil) if you fill a tank using an adapter. Not sure if this is true or just hersay though  


The problems with adapters is that they will force the first stage closer to the back of your head making it easier for you to knock your head on it when entering the water.
 

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The full spec was published last year by the BSI and is available direct from them to anyone wishing to shell out £80 ish to buy it.

The valve has beed decided on.  It is an internal thread DIN style valve, using an M26 thread instead of the current M25.

As I understand, an adaptor would only be needed to get a fill from the diveshop.  It could then be removed and your current regs used with no problem.  Adaptors are not a problem, many people use DIN/A clamp adaptors all the time with no problems for both the pillar valve and to convert a first stage.
 

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[b said:
Quote[/b] (Finless @ Mar. 18 2004,11:15)]
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Quote[/b] (Steve W @ Mar. 18 2004,11:07)]No that's not an April's fool prank, we were talking about it on here a couple of weeks ago
http://www.yorkshire-divers.co.uk/cgi-bin....er;st=0
No one told me!!! Do I smell, or something???

yes we all do...of damp neoprene and johnsons baby talc. I thought that's what we liked about each other? That and the diving of course!
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An adaptor for use in the dive shop is what I was talking about - so you use your current reg fitting with your current cylinder, but can still get a Nitrox fill at you LDS.

I've mailed the HSE & am waiting for their reply on what will and won't be allowed.
 

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Jesus. How to take a simple system and make it complex and impractical in the real world.

Whats wrong with just saying "move everything to DIN, since we know it works and label your f*cking tanks"

I'll be using adaptors for filling and running my gear the same way I always have.

The dive "industry" and regulatory bodies seem to have lost sight of reality.
 

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Quote[/b] (Dominic @ Mar. 18 2004,12:17)]I've mailed the HSE & am waiting for their reply on what will and won't be allowed.
I got as far as the HSE web site BUT I was looking for a phone number so I could speak to someone - with no luck BEFORE I was interupted (bloody work).

There was some dispute over the adaptor question on the D/net thread. I tend to side with the "won't be allowed" point of view - otherwise what is the point of bringing in the change? You could put the adaptor in the cylinder which is not supposed to be filled with O2?
 
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