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The BSAC forum started with a bang but is now very quiet. The divernet forum was highly active but now shows little sign of life. RBW got taken over by the nerds. I notice that I am creeping up the rankings on YD, which tends to indicate to me that the best antagonists are losing interest. Do all forums eventually fade away? Will Facebook die eventually?
 

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I think enthusiasm and interest waxes and wanes. People move onto other hobbies. And then there's politics and arguements. Once a forum's been really quiet for a while it needs a miracle to get going again because it's regulars have probably bogged off to an alternative home.
With this in mind, I'm working on Lancashire based alternative... Just in case! ;)
Regarding facebook... Yes please, as soon as possible!
 

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Of course they do. Its just the good ones last much longer


YD is heading for 10 years which is an incredable acheivement.


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I suspect one of the keys to a successful forum is not to change hosts and then ask all your users to reregister, but not send/be able to send the confirmation emails regarding their passwords to them.
 

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The BSAC forum started with a bang but is now very quiet. The divernet forum was highly active but now shows little sign of life. RBW got taken over by the nerds. I notice that I am creeping up the rankings on YD, which tends to indicate to me that the best antagonists are losing interest. Do all forums eventually fade away? Will Facebook die eventually?
What do you mean by 'creeping up the rankings'? We aren't having another discussion on the merits of reputation, are we?

You might just find, john, that you are in alphabetical order.
 

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The BSAC forum started with a bang but is now very quiet. The divernet forum was highly active but now shows little sign of life. RBW got taken over by the nerds. I notice that I am creeping up the rankings on YD, which tends to indicate to me that the best antagonists are losing interest. Do all forums eventually fade away? Will Facebook die eventually?
Yes and no. If they don't ever change, then yes. If they keep providing a valuable service and most people using that service see little/no advantage in moving, then they'll live on. The Divernet forum became a little too much of a "us v them" for me. Here, there's still some of that of course but with so many more subscribers, there's middle ground too. So long as the numbers remain high enough, the forum will live. Below that critical level, it falls into cliques and then the writing is on the wall. Even the keenest cliques will tire of talking to themselves eventually.
Will FB die? Probably, someday unless it keeps moving the way the users' trends want it to go. However, as a quick lesson from history - many years ago I joined an online community called LambdaMOO. Back then, the WWW was virtually non-existent and Mosaic was considered state of the art tech. LambdaMOO is still out there and still being used, though much much quieter than it was and most people won't even know how to access it anymore as that part of the Internet has been more or less consigned to history (my character on there is now probably older than many users of this forum!). So sometimes the best or the first can outlive their expected shelf lives.
 

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Lancashire Divers (LD), Lancs Scoobie Divers (LSD) - It may have legs you know! ;D
 
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What do you mean by 'creeping up the rankings'? We aren't having another discussion on the merits of reputation, are we?

You might just find, john, that you are in alphabetical order.
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I wouldn't want to join any club that would have someone like me as a member but when you put the community list in order of blobs I am now on page one when I used to skulk around page three. Does this mean no more good rucks?
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Yes.

I have observed the same cycle on many forums (not just diving) and it seems to be typified by this-
1. Forum created by keen posters knowledgable in subject.
2. Forum grows beyond free hosting capability and requires money, advertising starts
3. Advertising causes owners to recruit more members, quality begins to slip but good content keeps forum afloat.
4. Sooner or later an advertiser suggests moderation to owners
5. Moderation causes founding members/posters to leave gradually and quality reaches a low.
6. Forum is sold or taken over either by a popular member or advertiser, moderation grows, new members join, almost no quality present in threads.
7. Forum shrinks and members leave in droves to other forums, some start new forums- most fail, original forum fades.
8. A new forum is started to replace previous forum and many of the best people are there from the start (no one knows how they find out about it and the idiots don't), return to step 2.

Some other factors I've observed-
Depending on the age of the posters the cycle is between 2 and 8 years by my estimation, kids forums last months to years, "adults" can sometimes get 5-10yrs out of a forum.
The smaller the forum remains the longer it lasts.
The more specialist the forum the longer it last (Diving is IMO not very specialist)
The less international the forum the longer it lasts.
The less competitive the forum subject the longer it lasts.
The less sponsored the forum the longer it lasts.
 

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I wouldn't want to join any club that would have someone like me as a member but when you put the community list in order of blobs I am now on page one
So what you're saying is that the forum has gone downhill because they see you as useful? :D:D:D

when I used to skulk around page three.
Aren't you a litte, er, flat chested for that?

Does this mean no more good rucks?
Probably. I've certainly noticed that no-one wants to deviate much from the currently accepted fashions. Hogarthian type is the only way to dive if OC, non-alpinist if CCR, particularly using a JJ (I'm not sure other units are still made reading some posts). Not many people seem keen to go against either of those accepted truths. I would imagine anyone joining is either going to a. not want to seem like a tit by going against the status quo or b. act like a tit to deliberately wind up the villagers.

Facebook... tell the world that you've bought a new pair of shoes. What a great idea. Unfortunately a lot of forums are headed that way in terms of content.
 
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I wouldn't want to join any club that would have someone like me as a member but when you put the community list in order of blobs I am now on page one when I used to skulk around page three. Does this mean no more good rucks?
I know you won't let me down!

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My red or green blobs are no use to anyone - thankfully. I can only send grey ones thanks to a certain mod who abused the tools in the mod cupboard. You *may* only be a few points of the top, which is in alphabetical order because they are maxed out :)

I'm always happy to have a good ruck with you - just give me the ammo, old man ;)
 

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Hmm.

Folk come and go just like in a diving club, and to be honest if this forum was just about diving I would probably have gone long ago, you can only regurgitate the same topic so many times before it gets tedious.. New members who take up a topic with gusto not knowing it had been thrashed to death many times before, while older members roll their eyes and say here we go again but have to let it run it's course..

Its the variety on here that keeps my interest, when did finless last post anything on diving, but I still read and participate in his barmy threads.. I like to dig my heels in on things that matter to me and definitely get up some folks noses, (but I am old and frail so people humour me).. BJ is the biggest name dropper I have ever never met... Chasey answers every thread with an essay where you have to sit down with a biscuit and a pot of tea to wade through everything.. Others are really into what they are really interested in be it taking pictures or what ever, and looking at the title I can hazard a good guess who's names are going to be in the replies before I read anything..

YD is now a community, a bit dysfunctional but a community just the same... Will it last, well that's up to us..
 

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I would probably have gone long ago, you can only regurgitate the same topic so many times before it gets tedious.
This seems to be the case with magazines, not having a pop at the diving press, I've noticed it in shooting and it probably occurs in any other interest.
Churn is probably about 2 years on average, that's why mags can get away with the bi-annual (is that every 2 years, because that's what I mean) fin roundup or reg comparison.

To anyone that has a set of fins, for example, it's just 5-6 pages that you could fill with something else.

A forum is a bit more dynamic with the same questions occurring, but being answered by the younger blood, with most of the older members turning off when the see titles like, "Should I clip off or stuff my snorkel?" or "If I was to build the Hokey-Kokey 2000 rebreather, how many people would buy it?"

As Ray says, on a divisive question, you can either hear the snores or alternatively hear the usual suspects winding up for the next foray, and predict the way a thread will go.

That said, YD probably is the biggest UK-based forum and had done a lot of good, both to individuals and causes. I have some good friends, a fiancée and possibly a job that I would not have, were it not for YD.
Has it done a lot of bad? Well the odd spat and slammed door I suppose, most people wander back so YD is, I suspect a nice place to while away a few non-diving hours, so in the Karma stakes, I think YD is up there.
 

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I wouldn't want to join any club that would have someone like me as a member but when you put the community list in order of blobs I am now on page one when I used to skulk around page three. Does this mean no more good rucks?

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No, it means you are posting less crap than previously. Current thread excepted. :D
 

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I've certainly noticed that no-one wants to deviate much from the currently accepted fashions. Hogarthian type is the only way to dive if OC,
I would just like to point out, on the off chance of someone bothering to call me a stroke and start a ruck, I did a 40m air dive yesterday with twin indies on a backplate and harness without a wing :D
 

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I would just like to point out, on the off chance of someone bothering to call me a stroke and start a ruck, I did a 40m air dive yesterday with twin indies on a backplate and harness without a wing :D
Good boy:D You will go far, now you realise there is not just one true path;)

Any particular reason you weren't using a wing though? Just asking, I am contemplating ditching my wing as well, but that will be in a wetsuit:D I wanna go really really minimalist (well, as minimalist as I can with a DSLR rig;)
 

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YD is now a community, a bit dysfunctional but a community just the same... Will it last, well that's up to us..
YD is more of a community of friends. There are thousands of members, but there are maybe only a couple of hundred core members, names you see on every post, personalities you get to know. Grumpy Ray who trashed me for talking about fish once, caring Morag who gave me chocolate at NDAC once, BJ who knows everyone he says is important but I've never heard of them, Woz and Digger who like to correct people, Frosty who...is odd...the list goes on.

As long as the core users chat hear because they are friends and their main source of contact other than meeting at dive sites is here then YD should survive. I can't see it dieing off soon unless a significant portion fo the people on it actually fall out with each other.
 
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