[ReBreatherSteve]

I need some advice on what is best for a garage burglar alarm.

My garage is 9 meters wide by 25 meters long, very large garage, it has one up-and-over metal front door and a solid oak side door.

What I would like is a complete separate wireless unit for my garage, ie alarm panel, sensors, bell box, etc, etc.

Does anyone have any experience of sensors in a garage? My concern is that if I use PIR type sensors they will keep going off due to the door rattling or a spider moving or do they make specific sensors for garages?

Any help or advice would be appreciated.

 

[scooby]

Hi i installed a full system in my garage 2 years ago (panel,door switches,smoke alarm etc) the pir,s i used were micro x these are both pir & infra red (can set to either,orboth) mine are set so they have to be activated by both.No problems in the 2 years i,ve had them fitted.The smoke alarm is fitted but only arms when the doors are closed and the alarm is in set mode(stops false alarms when welding,grinding etc)Also i have a dialler in the system which will ring me and let me know if there is an activation.Not the cheapest system but a good solid security alarm without worries of false alarms etc.
regards
Stuart

 

[bubbleless]

I put a wireless sensor in my girlfriends garage as part of here main alarm , The doors rattle and it gets very hot lots of spiders, touch wood no false alarms, its got PIR sensor and a door switch contact , all wireless, easy to fit as well

 

[iwantone]

You could add a couple of these for redundancy
How to Create a Flash Bang | eHow.com

 

[Gary K]

have a look on sparky stuff

then contact 'deepbull' on here

 

[colinicky]

Couple of large starving dogs ?

 

[gobfish1]

pir & infra red , Double knock , set up .. will do you ,,

 

[12480]

All the burglar deterrent you will ever need

 

[Rob Dobson]

I appreciate that this is feck all use in direct answer to the OP, but I recently reviewed garage security to protect my dive gear.

After seeking advice from various knowledgable folk I focused on preventing entry rather than beefing up the alarm as alarms get ignored. I went for a 'garage defender'. It's a right nasty bastard to defeat as it prevents the lock from being attacked and it's cemented into the ground.

Wasn't too much money either. The garage is alarmed as well. Belt and braces and all that.

 

[deepbull]

I need some advice on what is best for a garage burglar alarm.

My garage is 9 meters wide by 25 meters long, very large garage, it has one up-and-over metal front door and a solid oak side door.

What I would like is a complete separate wireless unit for my garage, ie alarm panel, sensors, bell box, etc, etc.

Does anyone have any experience of sensors in a garage? My concern is that if I use PIR type sensors they will keep going off due to the door rattling or a spider moving or do they make specific sensors for garages?

Any help or advice would be appreciated.

if it were me.......
Texecom - Wireless - Ricochet - leading manufacturer of award-winning security and intruder alarm products but i would say that as its what i fit..............
hope this helps....

 

[DannyB]

You could add a couple of these for redundancy
How to Create a Flash Bang | eHow.com

I know no-body on YD would be silly enough to do it but just to point out that in the UK this is illegal unless you have access to an explosives factory... plus the method they are suggesting is not particularly safe or reliable. Far easier just to go and buy them

Danny

 

[deepbull]

so.......did you get this sorted??? if so what did you go for?

 

[ReBreatherSteve]

Morning DeepBull,



The real reason I need to alarm my garage is because I'm trying to get my Fire Arms Certificate (FAC), however in Leeds it's very difficult due to the recent shootings.

I've been told that if I put the gun safe in my garage, the garage needs to be alarmed, also the gun cabinet itself, ie a door connector.

When I spoke to the police fire arms expert he stated that the alarm box must be out of arms reach which includes the ability of a person stood on a transit van with a can of expanding foam. He gave this example as it has just happened in my area. My garage has a pitch roof and could easily accommodate an alarm box but could easily be reached with a small ladder or van. Therefore he suggested I tie in my garage alarm into my house alarm. What he also stated was that the garage door must have a door connector, inside he recommended a couple of pir's and a door connector on the gun safe.

A quick small job has now turned into a nightmare as my house already has a wired alarm, although quite old. So I'm thinking of removing the old alarm and all the wires and having an expert install a wireless version but I'm struggling as to how the alarm box can sound two different tones, one for the house and one for the garage, if this is possible.

Any help or advice you can offer would be much appreciated.


Kind regards
Steve

 

[Graham Smith]

I know no-body on YD would be silly enough to do it but just to point out that in the UK this is illegal unless you have access to an explosives factory... plus the method they are suggesting is not particularly safe or reliable. Far easier just to go and buy them

Danny

There is some great stuff here to play with....

Thunderflashes from HFM Pyrotechnics: The best for consumer and professional fireworks and pyrotechnics.

Or ask Paul Evans on here for an invite to his "Shed".......

 

[Graham Smith]

Steve, a bit of a daft question perhaps, but why would you want to store your weapons outside in the garage??

Sussex police are happy if your weapons are secured in an appropriate gun-safe, out of sight and securely fixed to the wall and floor. They are quite happy with them fitted inside cupboards or anywhere which makes a prolonged attack a pain in the wotsits. Is there nowhere inside you could store them? Be a much better option IMHO

 

[ReBreatherSteve]

Simple, my wife won't have any guns, diving equipment, motor bikes, etc, etc (boys toys) in the house, however she does allow designer shoes and matching hand bags!!!

I know who wears the pants in my house and it isn't me................ but I love her to bits all the same and won't change her or her very large salary.

 

[Paul Evans]

Simple, my wife won't have any guns, diving equipment, motor bikes, etc, etc (boys toys) in the house, however she does allow designer shoes and matching hand bags!!!

I know who wears the pants in my house and it isn't me................ but I love her to bits all the same and won't change her or her very large salary.

This should do it.

Wireless Converter Kit : Wireless Alarm Systems : Maplin

Scroll to N54 CL £99.00

Triggers your house alarm:wink: and has a door sensor and PIR, don't worry about false alarms, the spider would need to be the size of a small dog to set it off........................

If you want two different tones you will need two bell boxes, or a very expensive system......:frown:

You could just by a standalone wireless system and mount the bell box on the house, not the garage, it will be high enough then.......Unless you live in a bungalow

 

[Paul Evans]

There is some great stuff here to play with....

Thunderflashes from HFM Pyrotechnics: The best for consumer and professional fireworks and pyrotechnics.

Or ask Paul Evans on here for an invite to his "Shed".......

"I never joke about my work 007!!"

Q

 

[deepbull]

Morning DeepBull,



The real reason I need to alarm my garage is because I'm trying to get my Fire Arms Certificate (FAC), however in Leeds it's very difficult due to the recent shootings.

I've been told that if I put the gun safe in my garage, the garage needs to be alarmed, also the gun cabinet itself, ie a door connector.

When I spoke to the police fire arms expert he stated that the alarm box must be out of arms reach which includes the ability of a person stood on a transit van with a can of expanding foam. He gave this example as it has just happened in my area. My garage has a pitch roof and could easily accommodate an alarm box but could easily be reached with a small ladder or van. Therefore he suggested I tie in my garage alarm into my house alarm. What he also stated was that the garage door must have a door connector, inside he recommended a couple of pir's and a door connector on the gun safe.

A quick small job has now turned into a nightmare as my house already has a wired alarm, although quite old. So I'm thinking of removing the old alarm and all the wires and having an expert install a wireless version but I'm struggling as to how the alarm box can sound two different tones, one for the house and one for the garage, if this is possible.

Any help or advice you can offer would be much appreciated.


Kind regards
Steve

dont uninstall the alarm you have......
you can just use the same wire and have a new alarm box....
the new box can then have wired and wire free alarm bits!!

as for a bell box and expanding foam..... put a screamer in the garage center of the roof space .....very loud...

have in a bell box what you like as most of the bell box is dead space... most only have 1 siren but you can put 2 or more in them....
i would also add a dual Sim/phone dialer then you have triggers from the alarm that set off the dialer and it diles 9 or more preset numbers and if they cut the phone line the sim card diles you or whatever numbers you have told it to.......


what would i do if it was me....


well if it was me i would just go cctv as now a cctv system can do all the above! easy..... pop a camera in the garage and set up movement activation .... easy

yes now you can have door contacts, PIR's , bell boxes, numberplate recognition {to open your garage door as you drive up to it....} facial recognition, in fact anything that you can control with an open and closed circuit can be fitted to a cctv system and if its triggered the system can text you email you and send pics and or video to you of whats going on also the is 2 way audio


hummmmmm just like this.....opcorn: http://www.arsparks.co.uk/Alien-and-Alien-Pod(1868031).htm
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yep 16 alarm inputs and 4 with remote relay control...
(less on the 4 and 8 way systems...)

so unlike most alarm systems you could turn off an alarm remotely as the 4 relays are also remote... over the phone or net...


and yep you can also add this to a sim dialer... and this can do everything an alarm can do and a lot more...........
have the right mobile phone and login to your cctv system from anywhere you have a signal
if you have the Internet you have full control over the system
and yep a key fob can turn it off when you dont want the alarm bits on......

as for cost......... if you go for a 4 way system it could be as little as £400 for the dvr then a few cams all depends on the quality you want... as for pir's ,door contacts and bell boxes or screamers....





just give me a bell if you need any advice or if you are confused.... ..... now who's Q....007 Deepbull
let me know if you want some covert cameras......lol

ada

 

[TerryH]

After seeking advice from various knowledgable folk I focused on preventing entry rather than beefing up the alarm as alarms get ignored. I went for a 'garage defender'. It's a right nasty bastard to defeat as it prevents the lock from being attacked and it's cemented into the ground.

Kind of what he said.

I'd be making the up and over door only able to be open from the inside and
even go to the extreme of putting in an extra barrier depending on how
good a door.

That just leaves the much smaller side door, a lot easier to secure and arm,
but as this will be the only entry point it deserves the works.