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I'm a bit bored of the many pages of colourful fish that seem to feature every month in diver, so I am after a regular magazine that is more to do with "non-recreational" diving. Something with a combination of cave diving, wreck diving, and just generally deep diving would be good interesting

Any recommendations for good magazines which focus on the subjects mentioned above would be nice.

Cheers in advance :)
 

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You'll be lucky.

Diving is a minority sport, technical diving is a minority within that minority.

There have been attempts at publishing such a thing eg 9-90 but all have come to nought. Part of the problem is that pictures of pretty fish and pretty people in pretty places sells magazines and, consequently, advertising. Pictures of folk staggering under a ton of kit to dive a collier in 50m of murky, cold browness somewhere off the Tyne doesn't; even if the dive itself is several hundred times better than playing spot the pretty fishy.
 

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that's the PADI magazine isn't it? Diver has the occasional tech article in it, but is essentially a sports diver's magazine, like Sport Diver, if it's what I'm thinking of.
Yes, it's the PADI mag, so it's probably aimed straight at the rec diving market. I only read Dive as it's free with my BSAC membership. I only know about Mark's tech column as he showed me it on one of his recent TDI courses.
 

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What happened to Aqua Corps that was around a few years ago?
It ended in about 1997. Shame as AquaCORPS was the best of them all, it was interesting, very well put together, had some fantastic contributors and it had a sense of humour. What really got on my wick with later magazines was how seriously they took themselves, a lot of them like 990 were up their own arses and just exercises in backslapping. AquaCORPS's big advantage I think was that it happened at a time when there was some really exciting projects going on, it was also pre-internet as well which I think helped.

I lost interest in 990 when they were charging £3 for a sample at the dive show before it was even launched.
 
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OK, for fear of getting flamed to death, for asking the obvious.......

What is it about "the many pages of colourful fish that seem to feature every month in diver" that bores you. I'm not meaning to start a ruck, but, as others have mentioned, technical diving is a niche, within a niche (diving).

I would imagaine the vast majority of divers want to see pretty colourful reefs, and fish, in tropical destinations. The odd wreck would be a bonus, and caves are something to have a quick swim through, whilst always able to see light, with the guide in front.

Underwater Photography is also a niche, but it is served by a very good online magazine, with people contributing articles for free (top end authors as well).

Have you ever done a reef dive, on a proper reef, surrounded by 1000's of schooling fish? Or been swooped at for 15 minutes or so by a curious manta?
I'm not trying to be faceitious/pedantic/whatever, it's just you might change your mind

A lot of UK divers are well into wrecks, that's because we have a lot of them:) I was (still am really), there really is something magic about diving a great wreck.

Don't knock the "colourful reef with pretty fish" until you have tried it. Just the simple fact of diving in a wetsuit, with no hood or gloves is a benefit;) Hundreds of UK divers dive wrecks week in week out (or quarries) then jump at the chance to hop on a Red Sea liveaboard. A change is as good as a rest they say:)
 

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Sean, in answer to your question, pretty fish are all very nice but after a while they're a bit boring.
I'm sure to a lot of people so are wrecks;) After all, they are just a sunken ship:)
The difference is, how is it reported, is there a story behind it etc.

Please don't get me wrong, I love wrecks, but am also particularly fond of reefs, with macro in particular becoming extremely liked.

I'm not trying to knock James, I'm just trying to understand why he wants to totally knock something he hasn't even experienced yet. He has done maybe 20 odd dives, almost all in the same environment (and I don't mean that in a bad way). His experience of 'other diving' comes solely from the internet, or books he has read.

I honestly believe that what is going on here, is the whole "Technical diving is cool" thing. For me, that style of diving is a means to an end, and if people aspire to it then fair enough, who am I to knock them? But, I would generally think it a good idea to try a few different things before getting set in your ways. I was the same when I started diving, read loads about the exploits of the WKPP, thought rebreathers were the best thing since sliced bread, even bought a totally unsuitable rebreather. I then calmed down a little, and went through a period of normal diving. Now, my diving is anything but normal. As far as I am concerned, the shallower the better, more life, better light, no deco, gas lasts forever etc.

I know that a few are now going to have a whinge, and say "Leave him alone, let him do what he wants..." etc. and if James really wants to go all dead 'ard and techy, then good for him, but, he shouldn't totally write something off before even going near it. It's like the constant DIR good/bad thing.


Edited to add - It's bloody hard to write this sort of stuff and still fit in with the PC brigade
 

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Sean,

Personally I like both diving styles too. Having said that a week of tropical reefs and I'm bored as I crave more challenges than just stalking fish to take pictures of. I'm rarely bored on deeper dives until we do deco anyway.

I read pretty much all of the diving magazines at least occasionally. The magazines with the most appeal tell stories and are interesting whereas so many issues of the main stream magazines are effectively travel guides with lovely pictures - they're lovely but just a little bit the same. Having said that I think that both Dive and Diver have tried to cover UK diving and that's a good thing. For me the PADI thing in Sport Diver is far too prevalent (particularly the speciality course of the month) so I read it less - Dive is the BSAC magazine but they tend to keep things more low key.

You're right about new divers wanting to get in and become hard technical divers because it's cool. Personally I just wanted to get wet but became more technical as time went on and I'd truly mastered the kit I had (in my opinion at least ;)) and as more interesting though deeper targets presented themselves. I have very little time for the "I must have a twinset/wing" brigade. IMO, if you can dive it really doesn't matter what kit you're wearing. As it is I do both deep and shallow as it depends where the wreck or reef or whatever is. I enjoy Trefor Pier for photography just as much as a 50m wreck even though I get more colour and light to work with under the pier.

Having said all that and judging from pictures of you and me on boats I can see why James aspires to technical diving because let's face it: we're damned cool!
 

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Having said all that and judging from pictures of you and me on boats I can see why James aspires to technical diving because let's face it: we're damned cool!
Not me, I looked well fat in the last surface shot of me on a boat:) And my RB looked like an explosion in a hose factory :D

I have actually given up on mainstream dive magazines. It's quite possibly very narrow minded of me, but, I have a set of kit that I am happy with, so not looking for anything else to buy. If I fancy a holiday somewhere, it is generally because of a review somewhere, or mutterings from another photographer.

I never did do a huge amount of deeper dives, not properly (I used to do a fair bit in the 40-50m range, but that was single tanks of air, typical tourist bounce dives). BI did sort of progress, and I think I went at it too quick. Now, I am enjoying the delights of shallow stuff.

If you are into UW photography, very nice (free) niche magazine - Underwater Photography web magazine. You may well already download it, but I love it, real mix of stuff, product reviews, kit reviews, techniques, interviews. Just like a real paper magazine, but aimed at UW photogs. In fact, there is an old article I should email to James, he would love it. Leiigh Bishop describing how he does his deep wreck photography.

I think that might be what 'technical' diving is missing. There might be something out there already, but, I am surprised that no-one has really gone for an online magazine for technical diving. Surely there must be enough stories, articles, expeditions etc. to make a bi-monthly magazine, and there is bound to be someone who can knock something like that up very quickly, using user-submitted articles.
 

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Not me, I looked well fat in the last surface shot of me on a boat:) And my RB looked like an explosion in a hose factory :D
I'm not the racing snake I used to think I was :D

I have actually given up on mainstream dive magazines. It's quite possibly very narrow minded of me, but, I have a set of kit that I am happy with, so not looking for anything else to buy. If I fancy a holiday somewhere, it is generally because of a review somewhere, or mutterings from another photographer.
There's always more to buy. Dive is sent to me by BSAC and Diver gave me a bag and a bargain price. I occasionally browse Sport Diver in W H Smiths. Not main stream but: Wreck Diver Monthly was a bit home made to renew the subscription. I think the next issus of Advanced Diver Magazine is coming along real soon.

My holidays aren't allowed to be as dive-centric as yours are so we argue about destinations more. Though, on the plus side a wife and child gives extra baggage room.

If you are into UW photography, very nice (free) niche magazine - Underwater Photography web magazine. You may well already download it, but I love it, real mix of stuff, product reviews, kit reviews, techniques, interviews. Just like a real paper magazine, but aimed at UW photogs. In fact, there is an old article I should email to James, he would love it. Leiigh Bishop describing how he does his deep wreck photography.
I'll download it and have a look thanks. James, have a read it'll be good for you! ;) When I grow up I want to be Leigh Bishop.

I think that might be what 'technical' diving is missing. There might be something out there already, but, I am surprised that no-one has really gone for an online magazine for technical diving. Surely there must be enough stories, articles, expeditions etc. to make a bi-monthly magazine, and there is bound to be someone who can knock something like that up very quickly, using user-submitted articles.
From the old lags on here there seem to have been a few goes already in paper. I'd submit an article and pictures if they're deemed good enough. Shall we call it Yorkshire Diver - Specialist Cool Technical Edition? ;)
 
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