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Dear divers,

Here at the RNLI we depend on you, the public, to fund the lifesaving work of our volunteers – without you we couldn’t save lives at sea. But it’s not just your financial support we value – you all spend time on (or under) the water and we’d like to listen to what you have to say.

So, we’d like to start some online conversations about the RNLI – what we do and how we run – so that we can answer any questions you might have and take your suggestions onboard. The idea is that we'll learn from you and maybe you'll get to know us a little bit better too.


Just in case you think we're trying to be sneaky - we checked with GLOC (one of YD's Moderators) and he's given us the go ahead!

So, we’d like to kick off with a question:

If you ran the RNLI, would you charge for rescues?

Looking forward to hearing from you,

Isla and Becky

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In general i'd say no for charging for rescue if life is in danger and someone is in need of immediate medical assitance.

If on the other hand someone has been an idiot and run out of fuel, broken down through negligence etc then they should be charged for the time to rescue.
 

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In general i'd say no for charging for rescue if life is in danger and someone is in need of immediate medical assitance.

If on the other hand someone has been an idiot and run out of fuel, broken down through negligence etc then they should be charged for the time to rescue.[/QUOTE]

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Charging

Very interesting question. It depends on how RNLI sees themselves.. In my mind the AA provide a similar service.

Are you a member sir?
Yes, no problem we will be out shortly.
Ah sir is not a member, do you have a credit card handy, yes I know you are sinking, but we want the £2000 callout fee in advance........

I don't have a problem with sea users taking out a RNLI insurance policy. However what would happen to say french sailor using our waters? Or casual users like day trippers
Even then things become complicated, suppose a skipper does not have insurance, but I as a diver do have insurance, would the RNLI send a boat out to rescue me? in which case what happens to the other people on board.

If boat asks for help but refuses to pay would the RNLI sit back and watch a boat sink or lives lost?
 

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defo charge for rescue in situations of stupidity. why should the service be impoverished by idiots!

all boats could carry a card swipe machine, that can be sorted before the tow line attached! :D
so much a mile would be fair


great idea to ask, shame more organizations aren't as brave to publically see opinion.
 

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If they attend a mupet who hasn't prepared for their voyage & end up needing the RNLI's assistance, they should use the salvage law & come to a gentlemans agreement that the numpty will put a decent donation into the station pot when they are safely ashore.

Also (if they dont do it already) I would offer the facilities & expertise of the lifeboat college & its staff for training & have it as a commercial venture to raise money for putting back into the running of the RNLI.
 

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No to charging but yes to a bit of moral blackmail. Speaking purely for myself, one of your inshore boats pulled me out of the water when I was about 7 yrs old (nearly 50 years ago, and since then I've donated and raised thousand for you. If I or my family had paid for that rescue I'd feel less obliged to support you now.

I understand Soggy's point but finding where to draw that line is a difficult one. Determining who gets charged would me a minefield, if a diver gets into difficulty following a dive where he went beyond his cert would that be deemed stupidity and thus chargeable, if a yachtie strayed too far offshore and thus beyond his day skipper rating would that make him liable to charges if he needed help?

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In general i'd say no for charging for rescue if life is in danger and someone is in need of immediate medical assitance.

If on the other hand someone has been an idiot and run out of fuel, broken down through negligence etc then they should be charged for the time to rescue.
In theory the idea is OK, but I don't like the idea that someone may be reluctant to call for help, making a bad situation worse, if they think they might be judged to be an idiot and have to pay. I would agree with Peebee's point of view though, nothing wrong with a keeping water users aware that donating some money might just save their life in a roundabout way.
 

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So, we’d like to kick off with a question:

If you ran the RNLI, would you charge for rescues?
No.

Not even where the cause of the incident is stupidity.
Exactly the same as the NHS. Free to all at point of use.

I know the RNLI isn't funded the same as the NHS, but that's not the point (and a different argument).

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if i ran the rnli , id be asking the lifeboatmen for their sugestions , they see the waste of money at first hand , not be asking on a dive forum.
that in its self shows how far out of touch middle management are with the people who actually do the job. .............................. hth , well you did ask
not for one second am i sugesting the rnli dont do a fantastic job , just that the people at the top need to speak to the people who do the job.
as for charging ,,, you dont put your switch card details in when you call an anmbulance , wether its for you or someone else.
 

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In theory the idea is OK, but I don't like the idea that someone may be reluctant to call for help, making a bad situation worse, .

what do you think they will do, sit there and let themselves die? might be harsh but if your in a situation of your own making and you deliberately make it worse cos fo your own stupidity then, sorry but theres a Darwin award with your name on it. Everyone has a bad day and shit happens but if your farm yard stupid in your approach and are putting not only your own lives at risk but also those of your rescuers then you deserve to feel humiliated

with any luck it might make people stop and think and check their boat is functional before going out to sea.
 

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If someone is daft enough to run out of fuel then they're daft enough to delay calling for help until the incident has degenerated into being life threatening if they thought they were going to be faced with a huge bill.

The big stick of charging a fee won't be as effective as the carrot of free training. Therefore, if I ran the RNLI, I'd spend more money on pro-active education of sea users.
 

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No to charging, whilst I can see the stupid people argument trying to draw a line would be nigh on impossible.

I also don't believe that the RNLI or any of their crews would stand by and watch someone die because they hadn't or couldn't pay.

It would be good to have some kind of mandatory qualifications and minium safety equipment for non-commercial watercraft as I suspect that would stop a lot of problems, however I can't see that happenening as it would be very difficult to legislate or enforce.

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The RNLI have an historically clear mandate to rescue those in peril on the sea.

Obviously their roots are in a different era and the "romantic" nature of those heroic ocean going vessel rescues are largely past.

Nowadays I guess it's more of a humbrum thing - divers who have hurt themselves, swimmers who got out of their depth, yachties who have got into trouble. It would be my view that *mostly* these are avoidable situations and hence the concept of paying for "rescue" rears its head.

That leads to two problems I can see:

1) whether there would be a tiered approach as has already been mentioned - those who were fools and those who were unfortunate? Those whose life is threatened, those whose isn't? It all gets very woolly when lines of that type get drawn and how do you make a snap decision?
2) commercialisation almost certainly would lead competition and I just don't see that working.

My view would be to keep it "pure" - free rescues for those in peril on the sea - with increased fundraising efforts to keep it "free" [1].

Mal

[1] i.e. someone else pays....
 

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far too many people jump in a boat and off they go, without any thought.

if you hit them in their pocket, they tend to think a bit more.

standard kit should be noted on a craft, if it isnt there, or its dangerous, then they are stupid.
the AA do not put their own lives at risk to rescue people, the RNLI do
 

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what do you think they will do, sit there and let themselves die?

with any luck it might make people stop and think and check their boat is functional before going out to sea.
No, but they might postpone calling for help thinking that they can fix the problem while the weather detiorates, boat fills with water, boat drifts offshore etc etc....think of the incident pit of death! ;)

Granted it would thin out the gene pool a bit, but I'm not feeling that callous today...the snow has put me in a good mood :)
 

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defo charge for rescue in situations of stupidity. why should the service be impoverished by idiots!

all boats could carry a card swipe machine, that can be sorted before the tow line attached! :D
so much a mile would be fair


great idea to ask, shame more organizations aren't as brave to publically see opinion.

Hi.

All ready covered!.

Lloyd's open Register sir?.
 

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How would the RNLI stand legally if they attended an incident,
but did not give assistance because the casualty could not
afford the charges, resulting in the death of the casualty while
the RNLI bobbed about and watched ?
 
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