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Welcome to YD Dray.

I for one will take a look at the book. As much as I like Martin Edge's book there are aspects in it I don't agree with 100%, so always interested in other people's views. I think anyone that thinks one book will answer everything is missing out on a world of knowledge.
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Dray is a great bloke, dive guide and 'tographer. Give the guy a break, please, he's put some effort into writing a book which may well be exactly the right thing to help others. Just because there's another book out there which you regard as better (without actually having read Dray's, I'll warrant), that isn't an excuse to be rude to Dray.

Dray, I only met you briefly a few years ago, but I had the pleasure of diving with Karin for a week. She made me laugh as it was her first ever dry-suit dives and I still have the photos of her with a plastic bag on her head to help get into the neck seal!

Welcome!

Cheers, Chris
 

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Give the guy a break, please, he's put some effort into writing a book which may well be exactly the right thing to help others.
OK, I'm quite happy to eat some humble pie here and I apologise profusely to everyone I seem to have offended.

Just because there's another book out there which you regard as better (without actually having read Dray's, I'll warrant), that isn't an excuse to be rude to Dray.
I didn't say that, I've read neither, nor for that matter Martin Edge's book. When it comes to underwater photography books I tend to buy German (Kurt Amsler (he's Swiss actually), Helmut Debelius (Ikan) etc).

I'll get onto a bit of general philosophy here. UK types tend to buy Brit, Americans US, Aussies Australian authors and so it goes. I'm lucky (I suppose) given my background I don't have that much in the way of bias. I do admit, though, that most of my photography books, especially the u/w ones, are written by native German speakers. I also like to think, rightly or wrongly, that this is a fairly natural thing to do - if you can read German. Having said that I also have two books by some feller;) called David Doubilet - an American plus several others by diverse nationalities such as Italians.

I note, for example, that someone said that they didn't get on with all of Martin Edge's book. Nor should they have, after all, it is an opinion piece and not all opinions are the same. Errare humanus est - even though I don't think that every error, as perceived by some, is that. I don't necessarily agree with lots in the books I have, of whatever ilk, but that doesn't mean that I discount the book in its entirety (not that the original writer of that post did that).
 

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I remember twenty years ago when a group of us did a 'How to Dive' video, the first properly produced video of its kind. Someone at the BSAC Diving Officer's Conference was very critical of it and Tom Burton wisely asked him, "where's your video?" he replied he had not made one to which Tom's riposte was, "Well, when you've made one, come back and let us see it!"
 

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I know Dray Van Breek to be an experienced, passionate and competent photog. I'm sure his written contribution will be both useful and well received. Well done Dray and like many others, welcome to YD (but don't forget to post in WP...)
 

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Hi guys, It's out ; the handbook for anyone that takes down a camera. have a look....
hi love the idea that it fits into a log book holder, but cant seem to find it for sale, Amazon has it out of stock and its not on the ocean leisure page????? where can i get it from?
 

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We had Dray (and Anders) as guides last year and it was a great trip.

TBH, I only have to look through my photos to realise that there can never be enough books out there. ;)
 

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I've just reviewed it for that mag. and I can tell you that it cuts through the crap!
 

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We've got a vast selection of uw photography books at home, so many, in fact, that my photos should be award - winners by now!

However, what I'd find REALLY useful would be a book on UK uw photography, instead of endless publications about blue water photography.

If I knew what the hell I was doing I would write one myself :)
 

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If I knew what the hell I was doing I would write one myself :)
I've written it Kirstie. Here it is:

Get close. Get even closer. Use a flash positioned well off the lens axis. Shoot in RAW. Adjust contrast and colour as required prior to making you final jpeg/tif file. Use Filter/Dust & Scratches for removing detritus in the even green area. Use the cloning tool to remove white spots elsewhere.

How's that?
 
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I've written it Kirstie. Here it is:

Get close. Get even closer. Use a flash positioned well off the lens axis. Shoot in RAW. Adjust contrast and colour as required prior to making you final jpeg/tif file. Use Filter/Dust & Scratches for removing detritus in the even green area. Use the cloning tool to remove white spots elsewhere.

How's that?
Rubbish. Where are the pictures of wrasse and stuff?
 

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Rubbish. Where are the pictures of wrasse and stuff?
I forgot to mention. Don't waste money on better equipment. Spend it on getting into better water.
 

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I forgot to mention. Don't waste money on better equipment. Spend it on getting into better water.
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I've written it Kirstie. Here it is:

Get close. Get even closer. Use a flash positioned well off the lens axis. <Snip>

How's that?
One of my students says he calls my DUP course "the shove in the back course" as I was always pushing him closer.

Come to think of it, he could have called his OW course that as I had to help him in! :D *

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*Obviously (I hope) I never have and never would do this. I'd get the DM to do it as I'd already be in the water! ;)
 

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Oh boy,Christian - what can I say?
I only know Dray by reputation and also have not seen the book, so won't comment on it. But I'll make this observation. I am part of a team that used to organise underwater photography conferences in the UK. Speakers included Martin Edge, Mark Webster, Michael Aw, Paul Kay, Maria Munn, Peter Scoones, Colin Doeg and Peter Rowlands, all of whom have written books on how to take underwater photographs. Sitting in the audience alongside Peter Rowlands, I asked if he learnt anything from these festivals. Regarding me as one regards a fool, he said that of course he did. I believe each of those authors and the wonderful underwater photographers who we had who had produced books of underwater photographs (including Helmut Debelius, Paul Naylor, Alex Mustard, Tom Peschak, Don Tipton, Dos Winkel, Constantinos Petrinos, the Ferrarris, John Collins, David Doubilet to name a few for point scoring) would all agree with Peter. You become a better underwater photographer through seeing others work. The cost of taking underwater pictures is very high and the cost of obtaining one scrap of knowledge from a book very cheap - I'd be absolutely amazed if I could not glean something from Dray's book myself that I don't know He's a good photographer. I've been diving since I was sixteen and I'm now nearly fifty and been taking pictures for 20 years. With a little more experience and help from other people I hope to get good at both.

Dray, I wish you every success with the new book (I worked a little on Martin's by the way) and, Christian, I think you should buy a copy, read it objectively and then come back with an informed viewpoint.
 

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Hi Christian
Thank you for your message and I'm very happy to sincerely apologise for jumping on you!

Regarding the Rolloeimarin - I own an unused Rolleimarine and it is mounted on a plinth and carries the names of the four individuals to whom we made awards at our festivals. Beautiful piece of equipment. Best wisjes - Steve.
 

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Congratulations Dray,

Writing a book is a really difficult thing to do, so well done from me. I'm really looking forward to seeing it and working with you on Blue O Two's Red Sea In Focus Photography Workshops this year.

See you on 29th June for the first one! Can't wait ....

Well done again Dray, your underwater photography work is simply stunning ......

maria
 

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i totally agree with steve, if you learn just one thing from speaking or reading about your chosen subject, it is a step forward into increasing your knowledge. i have qute a few uwp books as wel as tops side ones, including marias and martins [both are excellent in their own ways], and i have learnt something from all of them, they are mines of very useful info.

with todays ever decreasing baggage allowance a smaller travel uwp book is most welcome.
 
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