BLIMEY
recon they could fit a V8 CHEVY under that air filter

 

Ouroboros

PS Lastly, what does it mean?

It's an ancient alchemy symbol depicting a serpent eating its own tail...

"The ouroboros has several meanings interwoven into it. Foremost is the symbolism of the serpent biting, devouring, eating its own tail. This symbolises the cyclic Nature of the Universe: creation out of destruction, Life out of Death. The ouroboros eats its own tail to sustain its life, in an eternal cycle of renewal. In the drawing, the black half symbolises the Night, Earth, and the destructive force of nature, yin. the light half represents Day, Heaven, the generative, creative force, yang."

So there you have it, yin and yang......Quite apt for a rebreather don't you think?

Bob

 

PS Lastly, what does it mean?

I thought it was the name of some batteries in Red Dwarf .


ahhhhh it all falls into place after reading the above post why Lister was in a box with ourobouros on it.

 

Actually,

it LOOKS a lot bigger than it is. Its pretty damn close to the size of my classic KISS.

When I dived it, I was pretty impressed. The only thing I didnt like was the extreme complexity of the handsets, but then.... I am a bit simple

 

I think they've aquired the nickname "Boris", much less of a mouthful

They also like a piece of Russian engineered kit to me, so quite appropriate.

JT

 

Just found out last week my thesis tutor is getting one - the jammy git!

Will be nice to see how long it takes to get


Keith

 

What are the pros and cons of the Ouroboros ?

Delta-P's technical support must be one of them.
Hands up VR3 owners who would dive one.

 

your not far wrong nigel! you could always strip out the lecy and plum in a kiss valve:zip:

john routley

Delta-P's technical support must be one of them.
Hands up VR3 owners who would dive one.

 

Delta-P's technical support must be one of them.
Hands up VR3 owners who would dive one.

I would Nigel but then my VR3 has been good to me (apart from an initial battery munching tendency that seems to have cleared)

Ian

 

Delta-P's technical support must be one of them.
Hands up VR3 owners who would dive one.

My VR3 works fine, apart from the same old battery munching already mentioned.
There again, maybe I wouldnt. Every time they find a way that it should have worked in the first place they would charge me £200 to "upgrade" it.

Wouldnt swap it though, and nor would anyone who just shelled out 7grand on an Ouroboro probably.

 

Beween Claire and I not had any probs with our VR3's.


I don't know a huge amount about the Oroborous but until someone more qualified comes along - its a copy of one of the military rebreathers - I think the Mk15.5? The elctronics are "outside the loop" and hence protected from flooding (acc to the manufacturers anyway!) The scrubber is a radial design and hence lasts longer - 8 hours I think. The unit itself is meant to be pretty damn near indestructible.

Anyway that's what I was told at the Dive Show! It does look very good but at the price it should.

 

Hi

I only just noticed this in the gallery. Lots of nice piccies

http://www.yorkshire-divers.co.uk/gallery/Ourobus-Rebreather,-1st-Course-Red-sea-April-2005

What are the pros and cons of the Ouroboros ?

Why does it seem so big?

How long does the scrubber last?

Just curious thats all, I'm not wanting to buy one or anything.

Andy

PS Lastly, what does it mean?

Pros

Shiney latest new gadget to have!

Cons

£££££££

Seriously having had a crawl all over a few now and listened to users and manafacturers I would have to agree with the fact it is a bullet proof bit of kit. The fail safes gone in to this are taking things to the extreams. In my opinion if you can't get out of the water on this you'd have been run over and killed with a jet ski on surfacing any way!

I'd get one tommorrow! (well I would if it was a bit bigger and I could move in to it when the house got reposed for spending more money on ridiculus dive kit)

Fin

 

Andy,

I had a long look and think on this unit. It is bullet proof, each circuit has a backup, it uses a radial scrubber with some unique features, the electronics are mounted outside the loop and potted to prevent flooding or implosion. It is beautifully built, lots of stainless steel, well thought out hose routing etc. etc. etc.

But, it's seriously expensive, that in itself is not a problem, however, even I flinched. More important than that it is heavy out of the water, it makes it very, very hard to travel with. Most people when they switch to a breather never want to switch back. I for one try to move heaven and earth to get my unit with me when I go abroad, this is the show stopper for me, therefore I will not get one.

Andrew

 

It's an ancient alchemy symbol depicting a serpent eating its own tail...

When I explained this to one hard boat skipper he said "so that means it's up it's own arse then!" and he thought that particularly apt

 

IMVHO:

Pros
Very well built
Very durable

Cons
Very expensive
No scrubber monitor
Delta-P's support and customer service
Average scubber duration

I see it as a tool for a job; its very good for deep exploration but (and lets be honest here) its complete overkill for the average RB diver.

 

IMVHO:

Cons
Very expensive
No scrubber monitor
Delta-P's support and customer service
Average scubber duration

Hi

What do they call 'stack time' on the handset, is that not a scrubber monitor, or just a timer.

What is the scrubber duration? It looks like a big scrubber!

Andy

 

Pros
Very well built

How can that be??? It doesn't use enought Velco...

JT

 

What do they call 'stack time' on the handset, is that not a scrubber monitor, or just a timer.

I belive its just a timer at the moment. There is a space in the head for a fourth cell and I believe there are plans to put a CO2 sensor in that when one becomes available.

What is the scrubber duration? It looks like a big scrubber!

I believe that its rated as "3 hours" (as for most rebreathers on the market at the moment) but this depends on temperature, depth, gas type, amount of CO2 produced by the diver, etc.

 

How can that be??? It doesn't use enought Velco...

It uses parts from Kent Tooling

 

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Why design it that way???

http://www.ccrtechnologies.co.uk/rebreatherpages/rebreatherdesign.html

Introduction:
http://www.ccrb.co.uk/rebreatherpages/introduction.html

 

Had decent look at Andy's a week or so ago and to be honest after half an hour I was trying to work out where I could get 8K from. It is really that good.

This is the only unit on the market that I would buy and wouln't want to modify. There's nothing you could do. Really.

The parts are machined from blocks of material, you can see where the milling machine has done it. The way it is designed is very very clever, and it has been field tested for some time by the guys at Delta P. I want to see a few more "ordinary" divers diving them and see whether any mods get made, but I don't think there will be any major ones, and few minor ones as far as I can see.

I've been waiting for a unit like this, I thought the only thing that would stop me homebuilding would be a MK15 or Cis, but this is actually IMO a better option for me, as it's UK produced, and I'm already getting used to the VR3 after half a dozen dives, and this works the same way.

It's all the little things. It takes you through the pre-dive safety check, and won't let you dive if everything's not working. They've covered all the bases with it, and the downside of that is that it's heavy and it's comparatively quite big. But it's not massive by any means, and the way it's built makes it a unit I would be happy to go ferreting on.

Digs.

 

First off, for those asking about scrubber duration, AFAIK the out the box scrubber is rated to 210 minutes (as per the CE test) but Delta P have apparently developed larger capacity scrubbers as well (although they are not yet ce tested).

It's all the little things. It takes you through the pre-dive safety check, and won't let you dive if everything's not working.
Digs.

Digs,
Actualy Kevin showed me his unit, and there is no fault mode that the unit will lock you out for, It's always possible to over ride the error (s) and dive the unit, however the unit logs that you've acknowledged the fault and over ridden it.

Simon A

 

Delta P have apparently developed larger capacity scrubbers as well (although they are not yet ce tested).

I spoke to Simon Pridmore of Delta-P about four weeks ago and he said the plans to launch longer duration scrubbers have been scrapped.

 

Hi

I'm surprised at this. I though the CisLunar, MK15s etc. jobbies had a much longer scrubber duration and so this seems to be a step backwards. If 'deep exploration' is really the purpose of the unit, then is a three hour scrubber duration really good enough?

Just askiing.

Andy