and do they do them in normal size collars, most shops stop at 16 inch collar some of usused to play rugby and still have the neck size. even Debs is poor not stocking ( and not able to be an 'orderist' ) 18 inch collars. M&S seems to be the only place apart from the specialist places like 'high and mighty and XXXXXXl sizes are us.4 quid a go. Look good, wash and iron well. I'll never buy another shirt in Debenham's again (for £18 - £30)!