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Need some advice, two maybe three of us want to get away in the middle of may for some warm water diving in the red sea, our aim was to do a liveaboard to maximize the amount of time we can spend underwater, so we are hoping to get 4 dives a day (3 min) with a few night dives included but the problem is what one of the many itineraries would meet our requirements?.

I must say that we are not interested in doing a sharm liveaboard.

So let me know your views.

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Need some advice, two maybe three of us want to get away in the middle of may for some warm water diving in the red sea, our aim was to do a liveaboard to maximize the amount of time we can spend underwater, so we are hoping to get 4 dives a day (3 min) with a few night dives included but the problem is what one of the many itineraries would meet our requirements?.

I must say that we are not interested in doing a sharm liveaboard.

So let me know your views.

Ron
Why not sharm ?
Sharm is just a port, you don't dive there on a liveaboard, you just catch the boat and sail off.
The same itininaries can be done out of Sharm and Hurgarda. I would choose the liveaboard and don't even bother looking at the port.

Being an individual or one a few people makes no difference to booking a liveaboard (I've never been as part as a group )

try
Red Sea Divers
Tony Backhurst Scuba Search Results

or

Crusader Travel - Late Offers

most itinaries are 3 dives + night dive each day, except first and last day / bad weather / long sea passage

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If we are sailing from Sharm we are bound to end up doing Ras Moh and the gardens having been there too many times i care to remember I dont want to spend two days in sharm.

By going from any of the southern read sea ports we stand a better chance of seeing some white tips.

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If we are sailing from Sharm we are bound to end up doing Ras Moh and the gardens having been there too many times i care to remember I dont want to spend two days in sharm.

By going from any of the southern read sea ports we stand a better chance of seeing some white tips.

R
Ron ,
we did the Southern route out of Marsa last October Elphinstone, Daedalus, St Johns, Rocky, Zarberghad (sp?) and loads of odd reefs in between. And the overall feeling was one of disappointment.
Elphinstone - 1 Oceanic white tip. Huge currents
Daedalus 7 hammerheads at around 60m
Rocky and some small reef a grey reef
St John's caves were magical
but the rest was not a patch on Ras Mohammed in mid summer.
The boat - Emperor Majesty - was mediocre, the guides interested in each other more than guests, all but 2 had something akin to cholera (chef washing food in tap water). It stank of diesel and we covered over 700km in nice bumpy water.
Most dive sites were busy despite the remoteness.

Not impressed and put wife off liveaboards for life.
4 of the party in October did the northern route in March and were amazed at the difference - great guides, perfect boat, crew food and of course the diving.

HTH and remember most of the wrecks regularly dived are in the north.
 

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Said it before, will say it again...

Hurricane... I've done Simply the Best (Brothers, Daedalus and Elphinstone), but any of the Southern Itineries from it...

There is a reason for it winning Best Liveaboard...:teeth:

You might pay a bit more for it (although I have seen some cheapish prices, if you are prepared to wait until the last minute, one the other day for £750, that's at least £200 cheaper than the usual advertised price)

Have a look at

Tony Backhurst Scuba, Specialists in Red Sea Liveaboards


Give them a call, and see what they can do for you


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In 2005 - did wrecks and reefs on diamond (not a great boat - no longer available through tony backhurst) with Steve and malin as guides - fantastic week, plenty to see and loads of dives.

2005 - Fury shoal & st johns on Hurricaine - guides joe and karin - fantastic boat and guides, fair few sharks and interesting fishy things (not many night dives due to travelling & marine park laws)

2006 - daedulus, rocky & zabarguard - Grand Sea Serpent, Egyptian guides - again fantastic boat and guides, still more fish and coral which for a few dives is pretty. Again not many night dives due to travelling.


So for 2007, booked in again with tony backhurst, on Cyclone doing Wrecks & Reefs in June, mainly becuase my buddy hasnt got more than the 50 dives required for the south livaboard trips but will still get to see plenty of both wrecks and reefs (ooo thats why the itinery is called that), but to be honest i do love the metal and am never a fan of long distance on boats.

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Richie, thanks for the info i will bear that in mind, our plan was to wait until a few days before and then book, we are not too bothered which of the operators we use but as Ding said there are some that are way out in front when it comes to service and standards. As we are going to go for a last minute we have to take whats on offer but from what people have said im not going to rule out the northen wrecks.

Thanks for the input what would we do without YD..


Ron
 

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I'd go southern itinerary as for me the best coral/marine life is down there and I'm not a great fan of wrecks except as a good place to find marine life , but you should remember that there are no night dives in the marine parks. So generally you will dive 3 times/day with night dives at the start and finish of the week. Having said that 4 20 or 30 meter dives in a day took it out of me even on Nitrox, maybe I need to be fitter and younger. :)

Whichever you choose, have fun. and dive safely

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In my [limited] experience, you'd get more diving on a northern route out of Sharm.

The Southern sites seem to be more wall dives. Certainly true on Simply The Best route. So people end up with deeper dives. So the guides seem to limit dives to three per day. STB is not a night-dive friendy route. Very exposed sites with the possibility of very strong currents and large feeding predators. You'll get one night dive during the week in a bay close to Marsa Alam.

With depth mainly limited by seabed in the north, a fourth dive each day is more realistic.

Personally, I would go south every time. Four bland dives a day versus three superb ones. That's me. But I didn't realise it was possible to go to Ras Mo too often :) .
 

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As this would be our first trip that is not shore based in Sharm I wanted to get a feel for what others on here had done and experanced in the past. Im sure that these still loads to see in Ras Moh but there is only so many times you can dive shark Ob without falling asleep but then i would be happy to spend an entire dive on anemone city talking video and photos.

PeeBee made a good point about the night dive rules, i was aware of it but not what areas it effected.

Ron
 

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The night dives are fewer, we only did 2) but partly due to the fact that the distances covered (ie, Marsa to The Brothers) mean that you are sailing for best part of the night, to ensure you are there for 1st thing in the morning... and, judging by some of the currents I experienced on this itinerary, you really wouldn't want be caught in them night, miles from the mainland.

Joe and Karin are no longer guides on the Hurricane, they've moved to an new boat in the Maldives (hard life, eh!), but the new guides, I believe an Aussie couple, are supposed to be damn excellent too.

As for the last night on shore, there is sweet FA going on in Marsa,(well there wasn't last year) so, you'll find you are restricted to the hotel... but after a week away, I'm sure this won't be a problem!

Ron, I hope you get something sorted.

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The New Guides are Dave and Tracy on the Hurricane, they have been guiding on the Tornado out of Sharm for ages and 2 weeks ago started on the Hurricane, they are good but still learning the Southern itinerary. Nice people though as you would expect.

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I'm also looking at similar Ron, but I'm more interested in North Wrecks, probably out of Hurghada, same kind of timings (mid May, depart either Fri 11 or Fri 18th)

So I might see you there :)
 

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I've done North Wrecks and Reefs on Cyclone and Bella. Both times we did 2 dives at Ras Moh (Shark & Yolanda, Jackfish Alley), but never the gardens.

Both trips were great - Steve & Malin on Cyclone and Thijs & Nicole on Bella were all excellent guides. Four dives each day and that great night out in Sharm to round things off.

Going on Hurricane in May to do the south itinerary, can't wait. 1 month too early for me to be able to compare the two, but personally I will never regret going on my first two liveaboards...both were amazing trips.

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we did the southern red sea and st johns in September

Emperor Fraiser with Hanni -

boat/skipper/guides/food/accommodation even the company i couldn't fault

Diving 4 a day if you wanted them

but to be honest by the end of the week i was walled to death, yes there were some excellent dives and some ab fab life but if i was going again i'd do the northern wrecks tour

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Hi Ron,

Just for info for you, I do wreck trips for one of the big operators, I won't say who, but most wreck trips ex Sharm or Hurghada will offer much the same, so here's what we do:

On a northern wrecks route we usually do three dives on the first day. The flights and transfers to the boat normally mean it's midnight to 2am before people get to bed so we do the first dive of the first day around 8-9am so people don't hit the water still asleep. After that it's four dives per day, except we normally offer three on Rosalie Moller and after three deep dives like that we suggest people don't night dive, though we do offer a night dive for those who haven't done all three on the Moller. Last day is two dives, and we usually finsih the week by doing either Thistlegorm and Ras Mohammed or Dunraven and Ras Mohammed. At Ras Mo we usually enter at Anemone City or close to Shark Reef and pick up between Jolanda and Cable/Satellite/Turtle Reef (Whichever you call it, though if you wanted to spend the full dive on Anemone City no probs, just tell us before you hit the water. The facility to do your own thing, within the contraints of a boat of people, is a much under-used facility on liveaboards, in my opinion!

Full itinerary (From Sharm) will be check dive, cross to Abu Nuhas (All 4 wrecks), Gubal for the barge, Ulysses and Rosalie Moller (3 dives), back across to Kingston and Thistlegorm (3 or 4 dives depending on the group) and Dunraven. Sometimes the itinerary runs t'other way round depending on weather and the number of boats around - T'gorm is usually quieter at the start of the week in summer so I like to do her first at that time of year - and we also have some other sites up our sleeves, plus a few that I'm looking for but haven't yet found, despite having been given 'definite' positions for them, and you'd be welcome to drop in for a looksee if you wanted to.

Most wreck specials ex Hurghada or Sharm would follow very much the same itinerary, just in a different order. One other thing to bear in mind is that Hurghada seems to be Friday to Friday flights, so you need 6 days off work, Sharm is Sat to Sat by and large - those aren't set in stone but they're what the dive tour operators tend to use as opposed to the ordinary holiday people.

Hope that helps your planning.

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Red sea south

I would vote for the Grand sea serpent, its a great fast boat with a great crew. I think Tony B do the best holidays in the red sea and I have been more than a few times.

For RB diving the Hurricane is the dogs b_____S :)
 

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I've been diving a couple of times with Lighthouse Miracle-1 homepage down to StJohns and co. It is really fantastic, the boat, the crew and of course the whole trip. If you want to see (nearly) untouched nature then go to south, the northern part has already been "dove down". If you prefer coast diving then go to Marsa Shagra Untitled Page which is just superb. Nice house reef, excellent service.
 
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