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Reg Servicing Courses? Where can I do them?

Does anyone know of any regulator manufacturers who offer service tech courses to divers who aren't employed by a dive shop? I already service my own kit but would like to have the ticket for future employment etc., and it seems that most courses are only offered to retail professionals.
 

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Zaid(mate of mine) did the Poseidon course,not sure if it made any difference him having an HSE ticket though.What it did'nt do was allow him to buy his own service bits,even though he was a fully qualified service tech.My how he laughed.
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I have tried (and might be getting closer) to get a course for servicing APEX regs. Their rule is: NO, not only to individuals but also to 'smaller' shops who sell Apex kit.
You have to be a major reseller to get a place on a course. Some-one from the DIS group was able to balg places for 6, but I missed out. Course costs about £100. Hope this helps.
 

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servicing my own regs

question if i serviced my own reg's or my buddy's without doing a service course. and somthing happend on a dive (total gas loss ) though the 1st stage and someone died would my ins cover me if the HSC got involed and said it was due to the 1st not set up in the right way.

this is just a question i no that most divers use twin set's or pony's but there has always been that time when you have lost your buddy on a dive it's happend to most of us. so would this cover my family or my buddy's if it was down to me

for the sake of £40/50 a year is it not worth paying your LDS to do the service who are ins and trianed by the company's that make them.
 

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not sure what you are insured for but where do you plan to get the bits to service regs with and how will you keep up to date with your regs without any training.

I would sevice my own regs if I had lots of em but for 3 is it realy worth it ??

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Jimmy hat diver said:
question if i serviced my own reg's or my buddy's without doing a service course. and somthing happend on a dive (total gas loss ) though the 1st stage and someone died would my ins cover me if the HSC got involed and said it was due to the 1st not set up in the right way.

this is just a question i no that most divers use twin set's or pony's but there has always been that time when you have lost your buddy on a dive it's happend to most of us. so would this cover my family or my buddy's if it was down to me

for the sake of £40/50 a year is it not worth paying your LDS to do the service who are ins and trianed by the company's that make them.
Are you a qualified engineer?
 

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Jimmy hat diver said:
for the sake of £40/50 a year is it not worth paying your LDS to do the service who are ins and trianed by the company's that make them.
The shop is not insured by the companies that make regulators - they should have normal third pary liability.

Insurance companies generaly are keen to avoid paying anything and fatalities are expensive. I would not expect much help from them.

If you can show the shop to be negligent and as a result the reg suffered (for example) an HP seat failure the estate of the diver would have to sue the shop.

In your example - with twins - the seat failure should be controlled by isolating that 1st stage. The insurance company would claim (and with some justification) diver negligence or incompetence.

On a rec rig the failure would be harder to control, but as divers have experienced this and lived the insurance guys would still have a case.

That said I cannot see why the seat would fail if either a shop or a DIY person had checked the IP and done the job properly. Most likely a shop will have charged for a new seat and re-used the old one if this failure occured.

If you do it yourself and its your regs its your problem. Your life insurance will almost certainly pay out. Since many people die through their own incompetence or stupidity (smoke anyone ?) the insurance company takes this into account in its premium.

If you take money for servicing someone else's regs you are a business and need insurance. Without the service course you will not get it. If you still go ahead you are a fool...

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Jimmy hat diver said:
question if i serviced my own reg's or my buddy's without doing a service course. and somthing happend on a dive (total gas loss ) though the 1st stage and someone died would my ins cover me if the HSC got involed and said it was due to the 1st not set up in the right way.

this is just a question i no that most divers use twin set's or pony's but there has always been that time when you have lost your buddy on a dive it's happend to most of us. so would this cover my family or my buddy's if it was down to me

for the sake of £40/50 a year is it not worth paying your LDS to do the service who are ins and trianed by the company's that make them.
if your not doing it for money diving or servicing the HSE (take it thats who you mean by HSC) can't touch you
 

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If you're doing this for friends and are worried about your competence to do the job properly then stuff the insurance, you're the one who has to live with the consequences if the brown stuff hits the fan.

You won't save much money if you've only got a handful of regs - especially if you want to do it properly with U-baths etc. Once you get a significant number you're likely to be doing the sort of diving where I believe you *should* be competent in field maintenance of all of your own kit...
 

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It's not worth it to dervice my own regs. I've got an ultrasonic bath at work plus a whole engineering workshop and 18 years as a professional engineer. But I'll still take my regs to Divequip (www.divequip.co.uk) as he:

1. really knows what he is doing as he is the ex-technical manager at MDE
2. dives the same regs as me, is a BSAC 1st class diver and NI
3. is very open about the servicing and what he does
4. is really pernikkity
5. is really cheap

He does a mail order service too if you are interested.

And BTW I also don't crawl under my own car any more as I have found a local garage who does the same with cars as divequip do with regs. My sister drives all the way from Newark to Nottingham to get her cars serviced with him. Cos he's good. Put it this way- the lower ball joint went on my missus 205 a few years back and for me to buy the part was £30. He changed it for £35. It's not worth getting grease under my fingernails.
 

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I don't trust the dive shops having seen who services them there.
I think this is the lynch pin of this old chestnut. Many so-called "engineers" are little more than a PADI OWSI with "Equipment Specialist" brownie-badge status. How this makes them a service tech I don't know.

The shop services my regs as I'm too lazy and I don't think its too expensive (esp. if you don't get them done often!!). However, knowing how regs work and understanding what should be done puts you in a good position to evaluate the service you get. (So it is with cars - ever ask you missus what crap they feed her; "needs loads of work love...")

If I were back in the UK I would use Wozes recommendation as I think he (Woz) is knowledgable and I trust him having bought stuff from him. Here I use the same guys I did my mix course with as I trust them and they are knowledgable.

If you can't find anyone you trust by all means do it yourself. While the workmanship may be better than the LDS you do not have access to the manufacturers' updates so you may be less than optimal for upgraded O rings etc. (Hardly a major prob).

The original post was about liability. So I add to my earlier comment that it doesn't matter one way or the other if you are dead!! I would rather the kit worked and I had a safe dive than get into a long debate about DIY vs. shop. There is a time and place for both.

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If you can't find anyone you trust by all means do it yourself.
Absolutely. I was looking at servicing my own regs before I found him as the LDS's round here are less than useful. Having seen one local place's workshop it gave me the heebie jeebies.

The only problem you may find is getting hold of service kits- Apeks are being a pain at the moment and are clamping down on non-approved stockists. However IIRC you can get the kits from a website in Germany. Dunno the web address though.

But Pete at Divequip annoys the local shops 'cos he charges way less for a service- IIRC about 18.50 plus bits. It even makes servicing Poseidons very worthwhile- a service on a Jetstream is not substantially more than a service on a more traditional reg.

In the same way I would not take my car to Halfords or Kwikfit for a service.
 

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Woz said:
The only problem you may find is getting hold of service kits- Apeks are being a pain at the moment and are clamping down on non-approved stockists. However IIRC you can get the kits from a website in Germany. Dunno the web address though.
It was in an earlier post:

http://www.deepstop.de/catalog/default.php?cPath=79_68

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Regulator servicing courses

I'm interested in doing a regulator servicing course for personal use only.

I've got a mixture of regulators but mainly they are Apex T40's & Aqualung Titan Glacia's. Anyone done a course that gives you a certificate so that you can buy your own service kits?

Out of interest does anyone know how much a professional servicing course is?

Cheers,

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The Apeks servicing instructions are available on a nice easy to follow powerpoint presentation and the kits can commonly be bought from Germany.

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Have a look at http://www.airspeedpress.com/newregbook.html

I have 2 of their books so you can rely on receiving them (quickly). You can also email the author to verify if there is info on your particular regs in the book.

[EDIT]There is a review contents section on the web site.
 

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I have the airspeed book. Its very good, but in order to go on a "proper" course you need to work for a shop. No-one will sell you parts. Gavin is correct - stuff can be bought in Germany if you look hard (and speak a bit is helpful).

Welcome to the con that is Scuba regulators.....

Chris
 
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