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It's always sad when divers die but this is their own stupid faults. I do find it hard to muster up sympathy for these guys, it's the family I feel sorry for;
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As I always say, you can teach techniques but you can't teach good judgement. Some people just don't have it.
 

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"Stupid is as stupid does" i think is the quote.

The dive looks quite simple, but their experience is poor for such a dive. But why do it? Its a bloody tunnel they have walked through.

I can understand the adrenalin rush though, done that on ski's, and done a few runs i should have walked away from.

But that tunnel is so unatractive:(

I hope people learn from this,

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I can't believe it...30 dives....I thought the invincible diver "attitude" hit at about 80...in any case I think that serves as a warning to everyone...but there will be many more warnings, over and over again.

peterk...thanks for the reminder of mortality...and we should all remember that when we go diving there are people up top we love and who love us.....

Agreed, symapthies to the family....

Doesn't the kid on the right look like Peter Schmeichel (*)

Be careful always.

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It looks to me like a straighforward enough dive but they obviously had nowhere near enough experiance to accomplish it and I guess they took inadequate air supplies with them.
I suspect the only reason the dive appealed to them is becuase it was forbidden, remember the forbidden fruit is always much sweeter.
 

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Quote[/b] (kinetic @ Oct. 03 2003,21:25)]peterk...thanks for the reminder of mortality...and we should all remember that when we go diving there are people up top we love and who love us.....
Yes thanks for that reminder, if in doubt dont do it! As my buddy says, "there will be other days to go diving" .
 

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I think where they've cocked up is thinking it's a 9' dive. They never realised that because there was 100' of water on either side it's still the equivelant of a 30mtr dive.

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Tragic and such a waste of two young lives.

If anyone was seriously thinking of doing anything like this they would be better served taking some specialist training from experts in the field and learning how to do it properly and safely.

A sobering lesson to us all.
 

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I think you're all being a bit harsh. We've all done stupid dangerous things which with hindsight we know we shouldn't have - most of us get away with it most of the time, these poor bugger's didn't and paid with their lives. That's tragic whatever the sport - if they had got away with it it probably would have enriched their lives. Taking risks is a personal business, you make your choice and live with it. OK your nearest and dearest have to live with it too but my loved ones think I'm a crazy selfish person just for going diving below 30 metres. Alright it could have been done safely had they the experience and preparation for it, but they obviously new it was risky and still thought they could do it so had a go. And if I had been topside with the gear I would have been in there like flash to look for them - some things are worth taking risks for.
 

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Quote[/b] (Jason Drake @ Oct. 07 2003,17:18)]I think you're all being a bit harsh. We've all done stupid dangerous things which with hindsight we know we shouldn't have - most of us get away with it most of the time, these poor bugger's didn't and paid with their lives. That's tragic whatever the sport - if they had got away with it it probably would have enriched their lives. Taking risks is a personal business, you make your choice and live with it. OK your nearest and dearest have to live with it too but my loved ones think I'm a crazy selfish person just for going diving below 30 metres. Alright it could have been done safely had they the experience and preparation for it, but they obviously new it was risky and still thought they could do it so had a go. And if I had been topside with the gear I would have been in there like flash to look for them - some things are worth taking risks for.
<font color='#0000FF'>I don't buy that. Naturally we have all done stupid things in one time or another but this was particulary stupid. If they had redundant air supply and was well thought out and planned this dive than I think we could all relate to this in one way or another. They just seem to get their kit and go.

If you were topside you shouldn't go straight in. Any trained rescuer will evaluate the risks before going in, never kill yourself in trying to rescue others.
 

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It's a matter of personal choice - they didn't go in there thinking they were going to die. I'm not denying that what they did was very risky indeed, but I've done riskier things many times and got away with it. Everyone has their own concept of acceptable risks; for some it's a pony, or twinset, or comprehensive planning. For some it's more. But an industry/mainstream decision on what's too risky for the individual is just nasty. I think that maybe diving has become so mainstream that people forget that some people do it because of the danger, to pit themselves against the odds and come back alive. The price of that is sometimes you die. Very tragic, but their call not mine or yours. And ok trained rescuers aren't allowed to take risks - but if it was my loved one I'd be in there with my single bottle if needs be to try and help because there are worse things than dying.
 

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<font color='#810541'>Jason, I hope you inform your Buddies of your Gung Ho attitude. You are probably a nice guy but you don't dive with me with such a reckless attitude.

Worse things than dying, get a grip, you are talking total Macho bullshit.
 

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Jason I with you on this one, it seams no one was ever young and stupid. When I look back about twenty years its a bloody miracle I'm here to day and if you can hold your hand on your hart and say you have never done something that that could have taken your life then you need to get one!


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Phil - the people I dive with are like-minded. I find risks rewarding. You also take risks which you don't need to - all diving is risky, and none of it 'necessary' - you just appear to have a different view of what's acceptable. No doubt future generations will think the diving we all do is obcenely dangerous, as we do of previous generations. I alone decide what is ok as far as my diving is concerned - and over 1000 dives later I've had a rich diving life so far, and intend fully to be diving for many more years. Macho bullshit? Without taking risks I'd be miserable, bored and feel unfullfilled - instead I have a full appreciation of life. So yes, I think there are worse things than dying. Developing a holier-than-thou attitude towards what is and is not an acceptable way for other people to amuse themselves is one of them. Moiuntaineers, cavers, sky divers, sailors, surfers, probably share some of the same feelings.
 

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Quote[/b] (Jason Drake @ Oct. 07 2003,20:47)]Phil - the people I dive with are like-minded. I find risks rewarding. You also take risks which you don't need to - all diving is risky, and none of it 'necessary' - you just appear to have a different view of what's acceptable. No doubt future generations will think the diving we all do is obcenely dangerous, as we do of previous generations. I alone decide what is ok as far as my diving is concerned - and over 1000 dives later I've had a rich diving life so far, and intend fully to be diving for many more years. Macho bullshit? Without taking risks I'd be miserable, bored and feel unfullfilled - instead I have a full appreciation of life. So yes, I think there are worse things than dying. Developing a holier-than-thou attitude towards what is and is not an acceptable way for other people to amuse themselves is one of them. Moiuntaineers, cavers, sky divers, sailors, surfers, probably share some of the same feelings.
Got a family, Jason? What do they think? Are they like-minded? Are the risks acceptable to them? If so, fine.

There may well be worse things than dying. The death of somebody you love is pretty bad, for instance - which is where I think you were coming from when you wrote that.

Not being holier-than-thou, just wondering whether you've fully thought this through.

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Quote[/b] (peter k @ Oct. 04 2003,11:44)]I think where they've cocked up is thinking it's a 9' dive. They never realised that because there was 100' of water on either side it's still the equivelant of a 30mtr dive.

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I must be missing something, when i look at the drawing of the site the max depth is 100 feet, through the bottom of the tunnel, that makes it a 30 meter dive, i dont get the 9 meter bit
 

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Quote[/b] (wrecktrekkie @ Oct. 07 2003,19:00)]Jason I with you on this one, it seams no one was ever young and stupid. When I look back about twenty years its a bloody miracle I'm here to day and if you can hold your hand on your hart and say you have never done something that that could have taken your life then you need to get one!


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i agree, its a miracle im still here, we have all done stupid things when we are young.
 

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<font color='#8D38C9'>lets all hope no one ever gets hurt.

The old saying still hits home:

better drown than duffers, if not duffers wont drown.

I think the point is to be carefull, paranoid and self respecting beforehand. Then its up to Murphy.
 
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