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Myself and a few others are becoming increasingly concerned that the iCCR schedule seems to be slipping further and further 'to the right of April'...in fact its now June, some five months after the EA's were assured by OSEL that there were no issue's and shipping would commence once CE was attained.

Alex has explained that various stock parts were out of date code and were being re-sourced, and this was now some what,.... 4-6 weeks ago??, and that he would advise when these components would be in stock and when assembly would commence. To date, as with a lot of things Alex has said, no information is forthcoming, and five months have gone by.

Questions from myself to OSEL seem to be bieng actively ignored concerning delivery of the iCCR, and now we find there are apparent delays in shipping the few 02 units due to tooling issue's.

Newsletters have been promised on various occasions and, as usual, never seem to materialise.

I accept that a few 02 units have shipped, but I would like this thread to remain not on the 02 units, but solely on the subject of the iCCR's.

I would like to invite Alex to comment on the situation in its entirety, and to clarify exactly where we are today and what his projected timeline's are for shipping.

That old chestnut 'No news is good news' certainly does not apply in this case. Alex and OSEL clearly monitor these boards closely, and Alex seems very quick to respond to favourable topics when he wishes........

.....So, over to you Alex.......what have you got to say to your EA iCCR customers??
 

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What you need to do is form a (potential) user focus group, Alex & co will then listen, even quote your comments / feedback.
 

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That old chestnut 'No news is good news' certainly does not apply in this case. Alex and OSEL clearly monitor these boards closely, and Alex seems very quick to respond to favourable topics when he wishes........

.....So, over to you Alex.......what have you got to say to your EA iCCR customers??
We are listening ... we have provided the information we have, and simply need to ship them.

Other than micro-level info on a few components, I don't have further news on it: we have said plainly the situation and are working to get those out.

Alex
 

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We are listening ... we have provided the information we have, and simply need to ship them.

Other than micro-level info on a few components, I don't have further news on it: we have said plainly the situation and are working to get those out.

Alex
Thank you Alex for the full and comprehensive update, I am sure your customers will be over the moon with the time and effort you put into that.

So there has been no progress on obtaining the required parts, no news on the anticipated wait so once again the EA iCCR customers just hang in the wind waiting do they?
 

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I received a quite informative email off them today from an inquiry i made yesterday:

On Fri Jun 03 2011, wrote:

Dear Ash,

Thank you for your interest in the Apocalypse Type IV iCCR.

The indicative lead time for new orders is 16 weeks once the order is
received.

Paul Haynes will be the lead IT for our Type IV iCCR product and we have
a large number of prospective instructors in Europe. The training
program is just awaiting the Type IV iCCR shipping and then as we
approve instructors on our product we will publish their details.

We were aiming for May to be shipping Type IV iCCR orders by, after
finally receiving CE certification, however this has pushed right, due
to circumstances outside our control.

For an update where we are with the iCCR following receipt of CE
certification to EN14143:2003 as published at
Open Safety Equipment. The pre-shipping stock-take
of Apoc iCCR electronic components which was only doable after CE
certification found a very small number of shortages (these are out of
date components). These components are out of date due to the unexpected
time taken to achieve CE certification of our rebreather product.
The recent test build of a few iCCR units was fine with these being
dived as shown on our facebook page. However, shipping of iCCR
back-orders is still open ended to a degree: they ship when every last
replacement item is in, assembled and correct. More information once the
last suppliers confirm their replacement lead time.
Negotiations with a couple of suppliers to reduce supply times are
dragging on (they are not long, but shorter would be better). In the
meantime we are clearing O2-CCR and OEM back-orders.

If you want just an mCCR with Shearwater or OTSC electronics we would
recommend you consider our Type IV O2-CCR or OEM with either a
Narkedat90 or Tecme.de monitor and oxygen cell solution.

As we have information become available we will release this. Our
Facebook page as follows
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Open-Safety-Equipment-Ltd/151298954899613

For further background to the design of our rebreather product please
refer to the reports published at Deep Life Ltd: Functional Safety Design Services

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Yours

OS Customer Support Team
 

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I received a quite informative email off them today from an inquiry i made yesterday:

On Fri Jun 03 2011, wrote:

Dear Ash,

Thank you for your interest in the Apocalypse Type IV iCCR.

The indicative lead time for new orders is 16 weeks once the order is
received.

Paul Haynes will be the lead IT for our Type IV iCCR product and we have
a large number of prospective instructors in Europe. The training
program is just awaiting the Type IV iCCR shipping and then as we
approve instructors on our product we will publish their details.

We were aiming for May to be shipping Type IV iCCR orders by, after
finally receiving CE certification, however this has pushed right, due
to circumstances outside our control.

For an update where we are with the iCCR following receipt of CE
certification to EN14143:2003 as published at
Open Safety Equipment. The pre-shipping stock-take
of Apoc iCCR electronic components which was only doable after CE
certification found a very small number of shortages (these are out of
date components). These components are out of date due to the unexpected
time taken to achieve CE certification of our rebreather product.
The recent test build of a few iCCR units was fine with these being
dived as shown on our facebook page. However, shipping of iCCR
back-orders is still open ended to a degree: they ship when every last
replacement item is in, assembled and correct. More information once the
last suppliers confirm their replacement lead time.
Negotiations with a couple of suppliers to reduce supply times are
dragging on (they are not long, but shorter would be better). In the
meantime we are clearing O2-CCR and OEM back-orders.

If you want just an mCCR with Shearwater or OTSC electronics we would
recommend you consider our Type IV O2-CCR or OEM with either a
Narkedat90 or Tecme.de monitor and oxygen cell solution.

As we have information become available we will release this. Our
Facebook page as follows
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Open-Safety-Equipment-Ltd/151298954899613

For further background to the design of our rebreather product please
refer to the reports published at Deep Life Ltd: Functional Safety Design Services

--
Yours

OS Customer Support Team
well that,s a laugh ,, im sure moley will be happy know if he want,s his apox, best buy a new one , seems as long as your not a EA, you get a reply saying yes yes yes you will have it in 16 weeks ,, top bollox .. im thinking ,,

ps south of when ,, ffs
 

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The indicative lead time for new orders is 16 weeks once the order is
received.
Now you'd better don't believe that, i ordered an iCCR way back in Nov, 2008 WITH estimated leadtime of 16 weeks,
and still haven't received anything.
There are other good rebreathers out there, buy one of those.
I would not follow the same path with Osel.

safe diving

Ivan
 

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Now you'd better don't believe that, i ordered an iCCR way back in Nov, 2008 WITH estimated leadtime of 16 weeks,
and still haven't received anything.
There are other good rebreathers out there, buy one of those.
I would not follow the same path with Osel.

safe diving

Ivan
These guys taking your money up front as well?
 

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Yeah for sure, they need a 50% deposit before they process as being ordered.
At that time, I did not have a CC, so payed by bank transfer and since it was only 16 weeks, I then payed the lump sum which figures at present date being 94% payed (for reducing international bank transfer fee's)
So, they have been playing with 3000+ US for more than 2,5 years, MY money..
 

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Yeah for sure, they need a 50% deposit before they process as being ordered.
At that time, I did not have a CC, so payed by bank transfer and since it was only 16 weeks, I then payed which figures at poresent date being 94% payed (for reducing international bank transfer fee's)
So, they have been playing with 3000+ US for more than 2,5 years, MY money..
 

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These guys taking your money up front as well?
lol lol lol .. i dont think thay are taking Anybody's Money right now ,, why would someone play for a unit , at this time ,,
AE ant got a thing as yes apart for a cheap unit and a long wait , (still waiting) cant see no one parting with cash to them at the mo .. or come to that , the last year or more ,, you would have to be one of them fool,s out of adw ccr manual, to give them money ,,
 

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lol lol lol .. i dont think thay are taking Anybody's Money right now ,, why would someone play for a unit , at this time ,,
AE ant got a thing as yes apart for a cheap unit and a long wait , (still waiting) cant see no one parting with cash to them at the mo .. or come to that , the last year or more ,, you would have to be one of them fool,s out of adw ccr manual, to give them money ,,
the question was aimed at Ivan, who unfortunatley did pay up front but that was in 2008, i know people would not do so now.

Ash
 

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Yeah for sure, they need a 50% deposit before they process as being ordered.
At that time, I did not have a CC, so payed by bank transfer and since it was only 16 weeks, I then payed which figures at poresent date being 94% payed (for reducing international bank transfer fee's)
So, they have been playing with 3000+ US for more than 2,5 years, MY money..
shi**er i feel for you mate!

Ash
 

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You still need to stump up 50% if you want the unit.
I'm not sure of any manufacturer that will place a unit into the production line for anyone that hasn't paid up.
I had to pay the full amount when I ordered my JJ. Same deal with the rEvo. The one glaring difference being that I was given a delivery date and I took receipt of the units. I know, these are just semantics and small differences between actual rebreather manufacturers and those just pretending to make rebreathers ;)

the question was aimed at Ivan, who unfortunatley did pay up front but that was in 2008, i know people would not do so now.

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I had to pay the full amount when I ordered my JJ. Same deal with the rEvo. The one glaring difference being that I was given a delivery date and I took receipt of the units. I know, these are just semantics and small differences between actual rebreather manufacturers and those just pretending to make rebreathers ;)
Same with my Sentinel, i knew the units were already being built and dived so i was happy to pay up front.
 

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Dear Ash,

Thank you for your interest in the Apocalypse Type IV iCCR.

The indicative lead time for new orders is 16 weeks once the order is
received.

Paul Haynes will be the lead IT for our Type IV iCCR product and we have
a large number of prospective instructors in Europe. The training
program is just awaiting the Type IV iCCR shipping and then as we
approve instructors on our product we will publish their details.

We were aiming for May to be shipping Type IV iCCR orders by, after
finally receiving CE certification, however this has pushed right, due
to circumstances outside our control.

For an update where we are with the iCCR following receipt of CE
certification to EN14143:2003 as published at
Open Safety Equipment. The pre-shipping stock-take
of Apoc iCCR electronic components which was only doable after CE
certification found a very small number of shortages (these are out of
date components). These components are out of date due to the unexpected
time
taken to achieve CE certification of our rebreather product.
The recent test build of a few iCCR units was fine with these being
dived as shown on our facebook page. However, shipping of iCCR
back-orders is still open ended to a degree: they ship when every last
replacement item is in, assembled and correct. More information once the
last suppliers confirm their replacement lead time.
Negotiations with a couple of suppliers to reduce supply times are
dragging on (they are not long, but shorter would be better). In the
meantime we are clearing O2-CCR and OEM back-orders.

If you want just an mCCR with Shearwater or OTSC electronics we would
recommend you consider our Type IV O2-CCR or OEM with either a
Narkedat90 or Tecme.de monitor and oxygen cell solution.

As we have information become available we will release this. Our
Facebook page as follows
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Open-Safety-Equipment-Ltd/151298954899613

For further background to the design of our rebreather product please
refer to the reports published at Deep Life Ltd: Functional Safety Design Services

--
Yours

OS Customer Support Team
laugh a minute!
 

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So you guys are angel investors in a startup that failed to deliver a product in the last three years. You invested based on the basis that the product was 4 months away from delivery, over three years ago. I wonder if you would be considered as a minority shareholder by a court of law :) I mean, technically you funded them and payed their salaries for the last few years (you and the Scottish local gvt, from what I hear?)
 
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