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Anyone thinking of getting solar panels fitted? Give me a shout and we split £100 referral if you proceed with the company installing mine.
 

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Be aware a neighbour near me just had solar panels fitted and got a free flock of pigeon's as well. They appear to have moved in underneath and come out craping all over the place and coo'ing 24/7. The Council can't do anything about it either so consider fitting some mesh if there is a gap underneath for Pigeon's to get under and make home.
 

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Maybe I could use the panels to power electric fencing or buy a .22.
 

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Whats the latest thought on panels then, thought with the removal of some of the subsidy they are now a bit less worthwhile?
what are the payback figures now?
 

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Prices have "miraculously" crashed through the floor since the cuts in subsidy ! Funny how they can cut the cost so quickly, just goes to prove how much they were making before
 

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Have you bought them outright or are they through the rental/lease/hire scheme or whatever it is?
I predict major problems in a few years time when people who haven't bought the panels outright come to sell their houses. The buyers mortgage company won't be happy that they have effectivly rented out their roof for 25 years.
 

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I'm interested what happens when the roof sags, or the tiles need replacing.
I've heard that the installers idea of a survey was to poke their head into the attic and make sure there was enough support 'to last whilst we bung them on, and drive away'.
 

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I don't think you can tar them all with the same brush anymore than you can call all estate agents a wanker... oh, hang on a minute.

It's interesting how much is assumed without any research ;)

You can buy the panels and receive surplus tarif in addition to daily needs or allow the company to lease the airspace above your roof and you use the electricity generated for your daily needs while it is being produced with the company receiving a tarif from any surplus. Tarifs haven't changed for the surplus but it's not something that affects the home owner if they are not receiving them anyway.

Like many others, I have gone for the latter. The panels, fitting and maintenance are free, it's for a period of 25 years and they remove them at the end at no charge. Forecast savings are 30% per annum. The approval process, staffed by the contractor who also has the liability for any damage, includes liaison with your insurance company and mortgage provider and you have the option to make changes to your roof with them removing and replacing panels for free, such as following an extension. Far from putting people off buying a house for sale with them, it's a selling point, with all rights transfered. Should the house be rented, this also gives the property the competitive edge against similar property withouit the panels.

Anyone serious about it, please pm me and I'll send the specific links to the company I'm going with, for further information. 30% savings and fifty quid cash back from my referal is worth a thought.
 

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I don't think you can tar them all with the same brush anymore than you can call all estate agents a wanker... oh, hang on a minute.

It's interesting how much is assumed without any research ;)

You can buy the panels and receive surplus tarif in addition to daily needs or allow the company to lease the airspace above your roof and you use the electricity generated for your daily needs while it is being produced with the company receiving a tarif from any surplus. Tarifs haven't changed for the surplus but it's not something that affects the home owner if they are not receiving them anyway.

Like many others, I have gone for the latter. The panels, fitting and maintenance are free, it's for a period of 25 years and they remove them at the end at no charge. Forecast savings are 30% per annum. The approval process, staffed by the contractor who also has the liability for any damage, includes liaison with your insurance company and mortgage provider and you have the option to make changes to your roof with them removing and replacing panels for free, such as following an extension. Far from putting people off buying a house for sale with them, it's a selling point, with all rights transfered. Should the house be rented, this also gives the property the competitive edge against similar property withouit the panels.

Anyone serious about it, please pm me and I'll send the specific links to the company I'm going with, for further information. 30% savings and fifty quid cash back from my referal is worth a thought.
you will find that several mortgage companies will want the Solar renter paid off before they offer a loan against the property. at this point, you are at their mercy as to what they will charge you for that, and how long they will take to do it. if you want panels, do the maths, much better to get the tariff and use it to pay off a bank loan (5years) than allow someone to take the real value of the job, the tarrif

it may be a green advantage when you sell, but really, the gains are small in electricity, and massive in tariff.

its a no brainer

(speaking as an installer and owner of several solar arrays ;) )
 

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Like many others, I have gone for the latter. The panels, fitting and maintenance are free, it's for a period of 25 years and they remove them at the end at no charge.
Who will remove them free of charge, Help The Aged?
The contractor who installed them will have gone the same way as all them damp proofers who were giving out 25 year guarantees back in the day.

Many people just wanted solar panels to get a return on their initial outlay via the FITS and don't care if the things never even work. Those who do have an interest in the energy production will be wondering why no one wants to come and repair them or replace the inverter for free in 5 years time.

I am given to bouts of extreme negativity. Anyone would think it was my money..... :)

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Which mortgage companies, where's that written down?

The tarrif route is at the mercy of the government, not if they reduce it but when and not a route affordable to many people. Frankly I've got better things to do with £12k than prop someone up and be left with ongoing maintenance laibility. As an installer you're bound to have a different perspective.

Reduced electricity costs for no outlay is the no-brainer afaik (speaking as an informed customer ;)).
 

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Who will remove them free of charge, Help The Aged?
The contractor who installed them will have gone the same way as all them damp proofers who were giving out 25 year guarantees back in the day.

Many people just wanted solar panels to get a return on their initial outlay via the FITS and don't care if the things never even work. Those who do have an interest in the energy production will be wondering why no one wants to come and repair them or replace the inverter for free in 5 years time.

I am given to bouts of extreme negativity. Anyone would think it was my money..... :)

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Look I'm not getting in to a debate about the merits or debits of it :p If someone's interested and wants to go ahead, give me a shout.
 

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Who will remove them free of charge, Help The Aged?
The contractor who installed them will have gone the same way as all them damp proofers who were giving out 25 year guarantees back in the day.

Many people just wanted solar panels to get a return on their initial outlay via the FITS and don't care if the things never even work. Those who do have an interest in the energy production will be wondering why no one wants to come and repair them or replace the inverter for free in 5 years time.

I am given to bouts of extreme negativity. Anyone would think it was my money..... :)

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Hey, let's be careful out there.
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they have to work, that is how the FIT is calculated in your payment. so if you produce 1000 units in a quarter you get 43.3p x 1000 (FIT) = 433.30 plus 1000/2 x 3p = £15 (see why the free panels are so good for the investor!! all you get as the free panel hoster is the £15 of electricity)
if you produce 0 units, you get 43.3 x 0 = 0 plus 3p x 0 = 0

the problem will come when the panels and inverter start to break down, or maybe one panel goes faulty, pulling the whole array down. if they have had their lions share of FIT's they are not going to spend huge amounts repairing them.
if you own it, you can decide what you will do.
 

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Prices have "miraculously" crashed through the floor since the cuts in subsidy ! Funny how they can cut the cost so quickly, just goes to prove how much they were making before
panel installers where tripling their money this time last year, hence why i started to install my own, then someone elses, and another. they were ripping people off, even this time last year, solar arrays were costing £4k in parts, they were charging anything from 12-16k to install.
the panels are not much cheaper, but the installers are having to fight for the business.

really, anyone who wants them, install them yourself, and get a MCS installer to comission it for £150, they will do it. you can get an array that would even today cost you £8k for about £4k, its plug in and play too! no difficult work that any good diy person cant do.
 

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Some bloke on the internet said it's cheaper to do yourself, so's circumcision, with both leaving you equally as knackered if you get it wrong. Most people can't even get the wiring in a plug right let alone a full blown survey and roof instalation.
 

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Some bloke on the internet said it's cheaper to do yourself, so's circumcision, with both leaving you equally as knackered if you get it wrong. Most people can't even get the wiring in a plug right let alone a full blown survey and roof instalation.
if you can dive a rebreather, then the wiring and assembly will be more complicated. ;)
its like lego, they ask you your roof type, and supply the hangers and cross bars to suit.
fear of heights are another story
 

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if you can dive a rebreather, then the wiring and assembly will be more complicated. ;)
its like lego, they ask you your roof type, and supply the hangers and cross bars to suit.
fear of heights are another story
I think I'd struggle with the getting the scaffolding around the conservatory. DIY may be a possibility but most round my way struggle to walk up the road let alone climb a roof. Visons of doing a Rod Hull :)
 

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I think I'd struggle with the getting the scaffolding around the conservatory. DIY may be a possibility but most round my way struggle to walk up the road let alone climb a roof. Visons of doing a Rod Hull :)
scaffold for a few days isn't that much and you will be surprised what scaffolders can bridge with some fancy tubework. you wouldn't want to watch them do it though.
 

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scaffold for a few days isn't that much and you will be surprised what scaffolders can bridge with some fancy tubework. you wouldn't want to watch them do it though.
Ha Har, someone walks through the trap door. So now the diy costs start to become less appealing ;)
 
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