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<font color='#0000FF'>I have seen you lot use the word STROKE ,,,,?  as in that bloke is a STROKE.

What is a stroke ?    


Andy.

Some COOMIES are using the word VIC,, now ,,,,when a new commercial divers is always bumping his gums,at school we were taught this way, that way,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Oh, shut it , ya doing a vic ,,,,,,,,,
 

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A stroke is anyone who hasn't seen the light, according to the DIR fraternity. I've no idea why they call us strokes, though.
 

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<font color='#0000FF'>AIUI "Stroke" is alluding to "stroking your own" ie stroke = w****er, dunno just what I was once told.

Don't get the "Vic" thing though, is it rhyming slang for thick ??
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<font color='#000080'>"Vic", as in the infamous member of "Handbag.net", equallt well known for his YBOD and also for his opinion... on just about any subject that you might care to think of!

He makes GI3 sound like a reasonable individual who will listen to all sides of an arguement before making his mind up on any subject.

(Also known to get on well with Mark Chase! LOL
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It looked like he was baiting me on the subject of a Bsac diver who'd 250 dives, professed, I thought to be thinking about going Padi as he had no/limited quals under Bsac. Vic tried to draw me in when I suggested he was wrong, takes a better man/woman than that. But our own Paul Oliver was, bless him, taken all the way by the Vicster and left for dead. That'll learn him - no one tangles with Vic and lives.


It's on the Bsac/Club forum if you want to sympathise.

Never mind Paul, you werent the first nor will, I suspect, you be the last.

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<font color='#0000FF'>Aha! I see  
I'm familiar with the Vic in question, the "continue your witterings in the crayon coulour of your choice"  comment from handbag.net is a classic  
 However I didn't realise his reputation had spread into the commercial fraternity.  

Cheers Matt for drawing my attention to the Vic/Paul exchange , my PC wasn't registering these in green as new posts so I had missed that lot.

Re that thread, I suspected early on that was a troll and suggested this fairly directly, the guy indicated it was genuine so if it is a troll then he's also a blatant liar, which is even less funny.


I'm of a similar opinion to Paul that with 250 dives the guy should be on his way to AD, I find it very hard to believe he's never been below his 20m Club/Ocean diver limit with 250 dives, and if he has then that's reason enough to push for his SD qualification even if its just to ensure his diving conforms to his governing body's recommendation.

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Well, well, well! I never thought I'd find myself defending Vic. He certainly comes over as an arrogant bugger on Divernet at times and I had a brush with him myself on one occasion but, actually, if you e-mail him he's very helpful and reasonable, and he's certainly very knowledgeable. In fact, what he says is usually right. It's just that he has an exceptionally objectionable way of expressing himself at times, which is a pity, because people would probably listen to him more if he used more restrained language instead of trying to make everybody who disagrees with him feek like an ignoramus.
 

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Like most I am astounded that if its true his DO is a tin-God or very safety consious! Its a shame the head office doesnt get a yearly update of divers, perhaps just a synopsis of dives, number of dives at 20/30/40/50m dives etc, total dives and qualification level. That would either stamp this out or high light a problem. Probably a bit of overkill though.

I agree with that John, off line he is a really nice guy and as you say very knowledgeable/accurate. Perhaps thats how he gets his above water kicks!

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We've got a guy who has been a trainee for nine/ten years and a girl with about four years. He still hasn't finished his pool training yet either. I think he just comes along for the social life which is up to him I suppose.
As for Vic. I think he has found a knack of gettimg himself backed into a corner that he feels he has to defend his position in the manner he does. I actually find him highly amusing("Crayon colour of your choice" absolute classical line, It's been used on several occasions now)

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Quote[/b] (Bob Cooper @ Mar. 31 2003,18:40)]Also, if you are "non-DIR", you are not automatically a "stroke".
That may be strictly true and it all sounds very reasonable as GI III puts it here but we all know that anybody that disagrees with GI III on any point IS automatically a stroke in his eyes.
 

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Just a quickie for another explanation of Vic:

In my circles the expression "Vic Thrush" is a put down and used in the third person as if it is the offenders name. It does have a kind of rhyming type element but isnt rhyming slang. Literally it means the individual gets up the nose and is an irritating c*nt!

Thought I would share.....
 

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Well Matt Thanks for that, if he is a proffesional wind up merchant i am not supprised as i felt for a long time that his posts were irrelivant and aimed at winding me up.

I also still feel that he never put any argument accros that justified his opinion, which is very narrow anyway.

Then again i was a bit under the influence when i answered most of them. Maybe i will get to meet him and correct his ways - moral suassion- i think its called.

Regards and looking forward to getting Matt in the straights,

Paul

PS Andy and Mark - How about a mini YD meet off Dover, us 3 Matt and Junior? Andy - Your boat or mine?

PPS I would also add that TerryH on that net has always irritated me and i would Luv to meet him. I suspect Andy is of a similar attitude on that.
 

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Matt

Your view was backed up latter on, or is that a suspected Vic add on, was he the origional poster?

Who knows / who cares

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<font color='#0000FF'>Paul ,,,,

I'm away for a month, but will be home on odd days back in Dover..

perhaps we should try and get a Dover GIG sorted...

Use both our boats or get in a few more,,,, get a whole weekends good diving in..... camping night or B & B at Martin Mill,where we can get a good barbie going, make it a family thing as well,,,,,,,,

We do this yearly with the Rolls Royce diving club from Bristol,,,,such a good laugh ...


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<font color='#000F22'>He He


Just got back and loged on and the first post I reed is dedicated to my old M8 Vic.

Fat chance of meeting up with him Paul. I have repetedly sugested a meet and or a dive and he dosent reply. I recently invited him on a Moldavia trip but again no reply.

As for a Dover trip

Yes I am up for it. Away in Gozo week of the 13th April but apart from that fairley open subject to permision from she who must be obayed. Mid week, never a problem.

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Just back from Sharm and off to Gozo


I am obviously in the wrong job, and permission is a problem?

I got nagged for taking some trainees up to Larkfield for half a day.

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<font color='#0000FF'>I'm a tiny bit suprised by that Paul, Terry H is a pretty "vocal" character admittedly, but he generally seems (to me) to have the interests of his trainees and instructors at heart, seems to have a lot of spare time though to go into the nitty gritty of some of the more obscure points of diving - personally I don't have the time or energy for that.

Added later via edit: sorry, didn't see today's developments re that thread,  ai ai ai...




I have some "bete noire's" of my own from the bsac forum, fr'instance the singular "Dave" seems to have no detectable sense of humour and as for those people who make posts like "you have a SD manual - read it!" well der-eer!!, state the obvious why don't you, get right up my hooter and no mistake!

Added later via edit: Yep, he's on the bandwagon too

anyhoo, things are far more civil and entertaining here  

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PS just had a thought, Andy the Commie, are you the "diver previously known as" Andy Nye on the bsac forum?
 

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Steve

Bit late on this as i have tried to reply twice but my puter keeps packing up.

There are quite a few on the BSAC forum i dont have much time for, as there are too many who just demean or anoy people. i know a lot of my branch members read it but wont join in as they feel anything they say will be lept on by some manual god.

Having said that i have learnt a lot from it, and of late have done a lot via e-mail with some of the more civil and knowledgable members like John Williams and Edward Haynes, who both must have Rhino skin to keep calm with some of the provocation they recieve.

I have issues with those that think your ability as a diver is measured by your experience and level as an instructor, which is quite widespread in BSAC.

Thanks again for your advice on the BOH, as i have used it quite a lot.

I would add that i did get off on the wrong foot on that but once some started on me i am not smart enough to turn away.

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Quote[/b] (Paul Oliver @ April 03 2003,18:34)]Steve I have issues with those that think your ability as a diver is measured by your experience and level as an instructor, which is quite widespread in BSAC.
BSAC were appaling for this and it would appear with what people say that in many cases they have'nt changed.
I may be repaeting myself here but many years ago some divers "sheperded" the NDC (with a view to revising the training manual)through the recently surveyed/lined in Hodge.The divers,(along with some CDG members) were the ones who had carried all this out but were members at the time of a BSAC club(NW Divers).Following the dive,people were chatting and one of the NDC asked one of the divers who'd accompanied him how long he'd been an instructor......
The total disbeleif and incredulity when it was discovered that most of the group escorting the NDC were merely 3rd Class(Sport Diver now?) was quite amusing.
It was also sadly representative of an attitude that beleives that one must attain higher qualifications to prove one's worth and that such quals.automatically assure experience,skill etc.
Nothing changes eh?
 
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